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<blockquote data-quote="Ryujin" data-source="post: 4743680" data-attributes="member: 27897"><p>I'll start by saying that I don't GM 4e, though I've run a couple of dozen other RPGs of various sorts over the last few decades. </p><p></p><p>There's never a guarantee that the party will find everything in any adventure. The only time that I would consider "throwing it in their faces" would be if some specific item was key in exposition. Other than that, tough nuggies. They can save up whatever gold they may have gained and buy the requisite items. All that they'll likely be short of are the extra "nice to haves." </p><p></p><p>I don't tend to hide treasure in an illusion covered pit, behind a secret door, at the bottom of a well. It's usually there to be found. If they don't, then it's likely that they've missed an easy bet. The ordinary looking sword in the velvet lined wooden box isn't likely ordinary.</p><p></p><p>As to going to great lengths, that happens regardless of party composition. In most games I've played I'm known for having a rather extensive armoury of mundane weapons and armour, regardless of class. </p><p></p><p>In one situation our Wizard feather fell off of a platform and was subsequently hauled to safety by 3 other members, because I spotted a couple of magic items on an opponent who was laying 70 feet down below. This triggered events that resulted in us doing away with an impatient Paladin, because he triggered events prematurely and risked our Wizard's life. Can't think of much greater lengths than that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ryujin, post: 4743680, member: 27897"] I'll start by saying that I don't GM 4e, though I've run a couple of dozen other RPGs of various sorts over the last few decades. There's never a guarantee that the party will find everything in any adventure. The only time that I would consider "throwing it in their faces" would be if some specific item was key in exposition. Other than that, tough nuggies. They can save up whatever gold they may have gained and buy the requisite items. All that they'll likely be short of are the extra "nice to haves." I don't tend to hide treasure in an illusion covered pit, behind a secret door, at the bottom of a well. It's usually there to be found. If they don't, then it's likely that they've missed an easy bet. The ordinary looking sword in the velvet lined wooden box isn't likely ordinary. As to going to great lengths, that happens regardless of party composition. In most games I've played I'm known for having a rather extensive armoury of mundane weapons and armour, regardless of class. In one situation our Wizard feather fell off of a platform and was subsequently hauled to safety by 3 other members, because I spotted a couple of magic items on an opponent who was laying 70 feet down below. This triggered events that resulted in us doing away with an impatient Paladin, because he triggered events prematurely and risked our Wizard's life. Can't think of much greater lengths than that. [/QUOTE]
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