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<blockquote data-quote="Herschel" data-source="post: 4755857" data-attributes="member: 78357">I see barely-trained characters make skill checks all the time. Low DC/easy stuff is fun to roll for if you have only a decent chance of success. Clerics making basic Arcana checks is fairly common IME for example. They're spellcasters and feel &quot;up to it&quot;. Other skills may be applicable in certain situations, sure, but it's not like the players don't have fun with it too.&nbsp;You make it sound like it's purely an adversarial relationship between DM and player and it's not. You talk about playing character archtypes, yet eschew the party archtype. What makes the former really any more likely than the latter? Anecdotally, most players I know have full backgrounds for their characters and tend to try to stay away from archtypes as often as possible and we see it all over threads here. &nbsp;I generally don't game with people whose only concern is &quot;winning&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Herschel, post: 4755857, member: 78357"] I see barely-trained characters make skill checks all the time. Low DC/easy stuff is fun to roll for if you have only a decent chance of success. Clerics making basic Arcana checks is fairly common IME for example. They're spellcasters and feel "up to it". Other skills may be applicable in certain situations, sure, but it's not like the players don't have fun with it too. You make it sound like it's purely an adversarial relationship between DM and player and it's not. You talk about playing character archtypes, yet eschew the party archtype. What makes the former really any more likely than the latter? Anecdotally, most players I know have full backgrounds for their characters and tend to try to stay away from archtypes as often as possible and we see it all over threads here. I generally don't game with people whose only concern is "winning". [/QUOTE]

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