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<blockquote data-quote="Gammadoodler" data-source="post: 7746126" data-attributes="member: 6914290"><p>[MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION], Based on your expressed intent, there are some mixed messages included here. "It's not about how Paizo does it, it's about the one true appropriate way to define it by literary heritage". So, it's not that Paizo is wrong, but they're also not right? I'm legitimately curious here, where are you you trying to plant your flag, and for what?</p><p></p><p>Dismissing Aragorn as being a ranger kinda wasn't the point, though I'm perfectly willing to stand by it (There was a lot of running or hiding from no-win situations rather than head-on confrontations with them in honorable combat; it wasn't Aragorn solo on the bridge with the balrog). I'm sure there is a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B here. The larger point is that as, king, he makes the rules, so it's not like he has to <em>really</em> concern himself with the law. I may be way off base, but I suspect that most GMs wouldn't immediately allow one of their PCs to include "rightful king" in their backstory without some significant cautionary discussion beforehand. </p><p></p><p>As it relates to the creation of the dilemma. The goal is not to cause a character to fall, but force the player to evaluate what the character's values really are and take responsibility for choices and/or sacrifices that they make. It's not really even about the outcome, it's about making space for character-defining choices. </p><p></p><p>As for the options you present, I don't think they are incompatible with each other, exposure to the whole mix would be worthwhile. Sole use of option 1 seems like it'd be the pits for the DM and other PCs as it sounds like any conflict that the DM could throw your way you end up handwaving with, "I do <em>x</em>..and it works..because paladin."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gammadoodler, post: 7746126, member: 6914290"] [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION], Based on your expressed intent, there are some mixed messages included here. "It's not about how Paizo does it, it's about the one true appropriate way to define it by literary heritage". So, it's not that Paizo is wrong, but they're also not right? I'm legitimately curious here, where are you you trying to plant your flag, and for what? Dismissing Aragorn as being a ranger kinda wasn't the point, though I'm perfectly willing to stand by it (There was a lot of running or hiding from no-win situations rather than head-on confrontations with them in honorable combat; it wasn't Aragorn solo on the bridge with the balrog). I'm sure there is a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B here. The larger point is that as, king, he makes the rules, so it's not like he has to [I]really[/I] concern himself with the law. I may be way off base, but I suspect that most GMs wouldn't immediately allow one of their PCs to include "rightful king" in their backstory without some significant cautionary discussion beforehand. As it relates to the creation of the dilemma. The goal is not to cause a character to fall, but force the player to evaluate what the character's values really are and take responsibility for choices and/or sacrifices that they make. It's not really even about the outcome, it's about making space for character-defining choices. As for the options you present, I don't think they are incompatible with each other, exposure to the whole mix would be worthwhile. Sole use of option 1 seems like it'd be the pits for the DM and other PCs as it sounds like any conflict that the DM could throw your way you end up handwaving with, "I do [I]x[/I]..and it works..because paladin." [/QUOTE]
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