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Pathfinder 2's Armor & A Preview of the Paladin!
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<blockquote data-quote="Gammadoodler" data-source="post: 7746128" data-attributes="member: 6914290"><p>[MENTION=6683613]TheCosmicKid[/MENTION]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Except that typically, paladins (even assuming they are always good) aren't the ones writing the laws, they'd be the ones subject to and or enforcing those laws, whatever they are, and regardless of any ideals or purposes intrinsic to those laws' creation. If the laws are unjust, and the paladin is unwilling to follow or enforce them, that paladin would not be characterized as "lawful" while they may still be "good." </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ahh..so you are saying that "lawful" and "good" are either the same thing or so tightly linked that there is no meaningful way to parse them. If that's the case, then the "lawful" part of it doesn't really mean anything does it? </p><p></p><p>So, by your reckoning paladins can:</p><p></p><p>1. Follow and enforce the law</p><p>2. Choose to follow and enforce "the spirit of the law" if the actual law is insufficient.. OR </p><p>3. If "the spirit of the law" sucks too (e.g. slavery), they can just not follow or enforce the law, because .. paladins. </p><p></p><p>Oh and no matter what they do, they're still lawful good. </p><p></p><p>Do you see how the "lawful" portion of your "lawful good" behavior gets to be pretty vestigial by the end there?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gammadoodler, post: 7746128, member: 6914290"] [MENTION=6683613]TheCosmicKid[/MENTION] Except that typically, paladins (even assuming they are always good) aren't the ones writing the laws, they'd be the ones subject to and or enforcing those laws, whatever they are, and regardless of any ideals or purposes intrinsic to those laws' creation. If the laws are unjust, and the paladin is unwilling to follow or enforce them, that paladin would not be characterized as "lawful" while they may still be "good." Ahh..so you are saying that "lawful" and "good" are either the same thing or so tightly linked that there is no meaningful way to parse them. If that's the case, then the "lawful" part of it doesn't really mean anything does it? So, by your reckoning paladins can: 1. Follow and enforce the law 2. Choose to follow and enforce "the spirit of the law" if the actual law is insufficient.. OR 3. If "the spirit of the law" sucks too (e.g. slavery), they can just not follow or enforce the law, because .. paladins. Oh and no matter what they do, they're still lawful good. Do you see how the "lawful" portion of your "lawful good" behavior gets to be pretty vestigial by the end there? [/QUOTE]
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