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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Evil Midnight Lurker" data-source="post: 7183625" data-attributes="member: 6746174">I managed a compromise of interspersing PF-Z with one-shot games in other systems.  I hope the group comes to love Zeitgeist enough to put up with the system. ^.^So, a couple of questions:1) What's the most up to date and correct version of the players' guide for Pathfinder?  The one in the hardcover, or the separate Expanded version?  The versions of both I have aren't quite the same, especially in the naval combat rules.2) What do you recommend for the ability score point buy -- 15, 20, 25?</blockquote>