Pathfinder 1E Pathfinder Rogue's spell-casting abilities

[BryonD]

Options = Good
1 L1 Spell << Candy
1 L1 Spell costing 2 resources << << Candy

 

[Klaus]

It's not like it's mandatory for all Rogues to get the Magical Talents (unlike Paladins and Rangers, who have spellcasting built into the class progression).

 

[Wisdom Penalty]

It's not like it's mandatory for all Rogues to get the Magical Talents (unlike Paladins and Rangers, who have spellcasting built into the class progression).

I know, but I'd rather see the change go in the opposite direction, i.e. paladins and rangers lose spellcasting...instead of the rogue gaining it.

I'll give you that it's not a major change, and I'll also admit (having finally just finished reading PF) that there's a lot of very, very good stuff that completely overshadows this issue.

Wis

 

[Roman]

I know, but I'd rather see the change go in the opposite direction, i.e. paladins and rangers lose spellcasting...instead of the rogue gaining it.

I agree.

For those who want to enable non-spellcasting classes to tap into a bit of spellcasting, I would recommend the creation of an optional self-contained feat or 'magical talent' system enabling any character to do so, rather than just limiting it to rogues.

I'll give you that it's not a major change, and I'll also admit (having finally just finished reading PF) that there's a lot of very, very good stuff that completely overshadows this issue.

Yet again - I agree.

 

[Klaus]

I agree.

For those who want to enable non-spellcasting classes to tap into a bit of spellcasting, I would recommend the creation of an optional self-contained feat or 'magical talent' system enabling any character to do so, rather than just limiting it to rogues.



Yet again - I agree.

Then by all means, go to the Pathfinder forums at Paizo and suggest that Paladins & Rangers lose their spellcasting.

 

[Aus_Snow]

Interesting.

Someone I just told about those proposed rules commented 'why not just have all the classes' abilities bleed into each other then?'

Yeah.

In fact, why have classes at all past a point, really.

Well, that was my response. :\

 

[Roman]

Then by all means, go to the Pathfinder forums at Paizo and suggest that Paladins & Rangers lose their spellcasting.

I do post on the Paizo forums, but I am not going to post the suggestion for the simple reason that it's chance of being taken up would approach zero (apart from other reasons, also due to backward-compatibility issues).

 

[BryonD]

I do post on the Paizo forums, but I am not going to post the suggestion for the simple reason that it's chance of being taken up would approach zero (apart from other reasons, also due to backward-compatibility issues).

Actually, if they take the same "more options" approach, the back compatibility need not be a concern at all. It is very much possible to build choices into the ranger and paladin classes that allow them to select alternative features that replace spell casting.

As to its chance of being taken up, I've been a bit pleasantly surprised with how well they've done get through all the mass of input. And if your idea resonates with the community, it will get more attention, if it doesn't then it probably is better that it not get attention. Posting is easy and there is no down side.

 

[Roman]

Actually, if they take the same "more options" approach, the back compatibility need not be a concern at all. It is very much possible to build choices into the ranger and paladin classes that allow them to select alternative features that replace spell casting.

Good point, though it would take numerous class features to make up for loss of spellcasting and I am not sure that's a route they would like to take.

As to its chance of being taken up, I've been a bit pleasantly surprised with how well they've done get through all the mass of input.

Actually, this is true. I too have been impressed by how they listen to the community on a range of issues.

And if your idea resonates with the community, it will get more attention, if it doesn't then it probably is better that it not get attention.

I don't think it would resonate with the community. Even I myself find the idea of ranger spells and paladin spells less itrusive than rogue spellcasting, for simple reasons of tradition in the current and previous editions of D&D and because there is some 'in-game' justification for it ('holy warrior' who gets spells from god, or 'nature's warrior' who gets spells from nature). Yes, I would prefer to have spellcasting-free rangers and paladins, but it is not a big deal to me, as the spellcasting ones are also fine. Even the rogues getting these magical talents, though not great, is a minor issue for me.

 

[BryonD]

Good point, though it would take numerous class features to make up for loss of spellcasting and I am not sure that's a route they would like to take.

Yeah. I have a non-casting Ranger I've used. But honestly, while I like it, I've found it is simply easier to stay with the core version.

I don't think it would resonate with the community. Even I myself find the idea of ranger spells and paladin spells less itrusive than rogue spellcasting, for simple reasons of tradition in the current and previous editions of D&D and because there is some 'in-game' justification for it ('holy warrior' who gets spells from god, or 'nature's warrior' who gets spells from nature). Yes, I would prefer to have spellcasting-free rangers and paladins, but it is not a big deal to me, as the spellcasting ones are also fine.

Probably true.

Even the rogues getting these magical talents, though not great, is a minor issue for me.

At the risk of being a broken record: I really think that, if anything, there are pretty underpowered. I doubt you would see them expect in the fringe cases where the character concept was worth a small price in total power to the player.

But the idea of a wizard school drop-out or a budding sorcerer who was to damn lazy to ever develop it (thus turned to a rogue's life), both sound fun. And yeah, you could take 1 level to do that, but this is even less, these characters never got there at all. Sounds fun to me.