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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 4214990" data-attributes="member: 15538"><p>I've never hashed it out on rec.games.frp.dnd, but I have more than fifteen years of boffer combat experience, some familiarity with SCA rattan combat, and I've received a couple of escrima tutorials. I can cite Miyamoto Musashi or point out that most dueling manuals suggested rapier and dagger or rapier and buckler. But if you want to vaguely cite some discussion on Usenet back in the 90s, without linkage, I guess to each their own.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: And I have no idea what you mean about historically this sure as hell wasn't true, unless by that you mean, "Was pretty much true."</p><p></p><p>EDIT EDIT: Five minutes of googling came up with this:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.thearma.org/essays/TopMyths.htm" target="_blank">http://www.thearma.org/essays/TopMyths.htm</a></p><p></p><p>13. Fighting with a sword and shield was the typical method of Medieval foot-combat.</p><p></p><p>False. Despite their ubiquity in popular media's depictions of Medieval combat, and their close association with knights and medieval warriors, by the 14th century large shields were actually uncommon and all but disappeared from battles and single combats. This decline continued as the decades wore on. Rather than a single-handed short sword with large shield, soldiers, knights and men-at-arms were equipped typically with double-handed weapons (whether polearms, hafted weapons, or double-hand swords), or with two weapon combinations (swords with maces, axes, daggers, etc.). Large shields survived as specialized tools mostly for sieges and judicial combats but were not primary equipment. Smaller bucklers and other hand shields were by far more common than larger shields and typically served as a principal means of training.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 4214990, member: 15538"] I've never hashed it out on rec.games.frp.dnd, but I have more than fifteen years of boffer combat experience, some familiarity with SCA rattan combat, and I've received a couple of escrima tutorials. I can cite Miyamoto Musashi or point out that most dueling manuals suggested rapier and dagger or rapier and buckler. But if you want to vaguely cite some discussion on Usenet back in the 90s, without linkage, I guess to each their own. EDIT: And I have no idea what you mean about historically this sure as hell wasn't true, unless by that you mean, "Was pretty much true." EDIT EDIT: Five minutes of googling came up with this: [url]http://www.thearma.org/essays/TopMyths.htm[/url] 13. Fighting with a sword and shield was the typical method of Medieval foot-combat. False. Despite their ubiquity in popular media's depictions of Medieval combat, and their close association with knights and medieval warriors, by the 14th century large shields were actually uncommon and all but disappeared from battles and single combats. This decline continued as the decades wore on. Rather than a single-handed short sword with large shield, soldiers, knights and men-at-arms were equipped typically with double-handed weapons (whether polearms, hafted weapons, or double-hand swords), or with two weapon combinations (swords with maces, axes, daggers, etc.). Large shields survived as specialized tools mostly for sieges and judicial combats but were not primary equipment. Smaller bucklers and other hand shields were by far more common than larger shields and typically served as a principal means of training. [/QUOTE]
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