Payn's Ponderings... Top 10 Essential Albums

payn

Legend
Alice In Chains definitely started as a glam metal band, as did Pantera, which they've admitted, but Soundgarden was never glam or hair metal. The song Big Dumb Sex was making fun of how vapid that whole scene was.
Guess we will have to disagree on this one. Soundgarden was hair metal as Sh when they got started. A pinch of psychedelic made them stand out but its all there in the beginning.
 

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Guess we will have to disagree on this one. Soundgarden was hair metal as Sh when they got started. A pinch of psychedelic made them stand out but its all there in the beginning.
I dont hear the connection. Just of curiosity, which song or songs would you consider from Deep Six (1986) and Screaming Life (1987) their fist 2 releases resemble glam/hair metal?
 

payn

Legend
I dont hear the connection. Just of curiosity, which song or songs would you consider from Deep Six (1986) and Screaming Life (1987) their fist 2 releases resemble glam/hair metal?
All of them? I mean there is a hint of psychedelic, which was unique at the time, but sounds very hair metal to me. SG actually starts sounding very prog metal in Badmotorfinger and beyond. They had a real unique blend of style and sound, but the hair metal is there. Are they the first band I think of when hair metal comes up? No, they are not, but I can hear the roots clearly.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
Soundgarden was hair metal as Sh when they got started.
What?

Soundgarden’s early stuff sounded nothing like Poison, Mötley Crüe, Kix, Slaughter, VVI, etc. They were the antithesis of hair metal. Thayil’s playing had far more in common with Iommi than Sixx, Beach or any of those dudes.

They didn’t even look the part.

The closest to hair metal among the new Seattle bands back then was probably Mother Love Bone, and that’s mostly because of the vocalist.
 


What?

Soundgarden’s early stuff sounded nothing like Poison, Mötley Crüe, Kix, Slaughter, VVI, etc. They were the antithesis of hair metal. Thayil’s playing had far more in common with Iommi than Sixx, Beach or any of those dudes.

They didn’t even look the part.
I'd say the only comparison that could be made would be Cornells vocals, but even that's a stretch. There was nothing formulaic to there sound. Some of Thayils solos are off kilter, almost discordant at times. Their time signatures are far from your standard 4/4, to the point I remember I reading an article that they said they never paid attention to them they just wrote what they felt like. Their use of dropped and alternate tunings and the keys they played in just shows that they were trying to remove themselves from the sound that was popular then, hair metal, and new wave.
 



payn

Legend
I'd say the only comparison that could be made would be Cornells vocals, but even that's a stretch. There was nothing formulaic to there sound. Some of Thayils solos are off kilter, almost discordant at times. Their time signatures are far from your standard 4/4, to the point I remember I reading an article that they said they never paid attention to them they just wrote what they felt like. Their use of dropped and alternate tunings and the keys they played in just shows that they were trying to remove themselves from the sound that was popular then, hair metal, and new wave.
I do think they were pioneers in this respect. I mean, if you sit somebody down and ask them, "what genre Soundgarden is?", most people will say grundge. I dont really agree with it because their sound (on every album) is so multifaceted. It's pretty unique and a bit difficult to pin down at the same time.
 

payn

Legend
What?

Soundgarden’s early stuff sounded nothing like Poison, Mötley Crüe, Kix, Slaughter, VVI, etc. They were the antithesis of hair metal. Thayil’s playing had far more in common with Iommi than Sixx, Beach or any of those dudes.

They didn’t even look the part.

The closest to hair metal among the new Seattle bands back then was probably Mother Love Bone, and that’s mostly because of the vocalist.
If you cant hear the missing links, you cant hear them. 🤷‍♂️
 

I do think they were pioneers in this respect. I mean, if you sit somebody down and ask them, "what genre Soundgarden is?", most people will say grundge. I dont really agree with it because their sound (on every album) is so multifaceted. It's pretty unique and a bit difficult to pin down at the same time.
Agreed, they definitely progressed from release to release and as you said even from track to track, especially from Badmotorfinger to King Animal. Chris Cornell said in an interview that he considered them hard rock/heavy metal akin to Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. They got lumped in with grunge, but they had left the underground Seattle scene before it broke big, so I don't really consider them grunge either.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
If you cant hear the missing links, you cant hear them. 🤷‍♂️
Dude, I love hair metal. There’s hair metal in my collection that most people haven’t heard. I’ve played hair metal.

Time sigs, tunings, mode selections, tempos… the similarities are almost nil.

It’s an extraordinary claim- please point out the connections.
 

payn

Legend
Dude, I love hair metal. There’s hair metal in my collection that most people haven’t heard. I’ve played hair metal.

Time sigs, tunings, mode selections, tempos… the similarities are almost nil.

It’s an extraordinary claim- please point out the connections.
Vocals, drums, etc.. The timings dont line up and I dont think SG was ever solidly "hair metal", but I can hear them moving around looking for a new sound (on every album).
 



It'd be impossible for me to narrow down 10 albums as my favorite, there's just too many. If I had to narrow it down to 3, they'd be (in no particular order) the Beatles: Revolver, Pink Floyd: Darkside of the Moon, and Led Zeppelin III. Anything after those I couldnt decide on 7 more as I'd always feel like somethings missing.

Though one very underrated Pink Floyd record is Obscured By Clouds.
 

StreamMonk

Villager
1. New Model Army - No Rest for the Wicked
2. Metallica - Ride the Lightning
3. Agent Orange - Living in Darkness
4. Wagner - Götterdämmerung (Berliner Philharmoniker)
5. Lara St. John - Bach Works for Violin Solo
6. Shriekback - Oil & Gold
7. David Sylvian & Robert Fripp - The First Day/Damaged
8. Killing Joke - The Fire Dances
9. The Hu Band - The Gereg
10. The Police - Ghost in the Machine
 


Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
What do we have to do to coax a list from you? Its hard but not impossible Mr. second hand CD shop.
Honestly, I can’t even begin to compose a list of 10 albums out of the 5k+ I have and the unknown thousands on my shopping list.

When I first got into CDs, their expense led me to limit my CD purchases to 7 bands: Led Zeppelin, Yes, King Crimson, Santana, Duran Duran, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath. That lasted 3 months,

At this point, a 10 CD list would have me skipping entire genres.
 


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