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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4726495" data-attributes="member: 2011">I suddenly realized that a straight set of bonus adds to defenses won't work.Take the following example:Same level creature to hit number against: high defense (taken every time plus starting stat 18 plus 2 class), medium defense (taken every other time plus starting stat 14 plus 1 class), low defense (never taken plus starting stat 10 plus 0 class): assuming item gain at levels 3, 8, 13, 18, 23, 28 and not using feats or race bonus and creature is Level +4 against the defense (most monsters average level +3 to level +5 except the Brute).[code] 1 11 8 5 2 11 8 5 3 11 8 5 4 11 8 5 5 10 7 4 6 10 7 4 7  9 6 3 8 11 7 4 9 10 6 310 10 6 311  9 6 212  9 6 213  9 6 214 10 6 215  9 5 116  9 5 117  8 4 018  9 5 119  9 5 120  8 4 021  8 4 022  8 4 023  8 4 024  8 4 025  7 3 -126  7 3 -127  6 2 -228  8 3 -129  7 2 -230  7 2 -2[/code]As can be seen, the difference between best and worse defense at level 1 is 6. At level 30, it's 9. There is no linear way to balance the two because PCs will almost always have a large delta between best and worse and will also often face higher level monsters. At high levels, some PCs will almost always get hit on a 2 and only missed on a 1 versus one or two of their defenses (with core rules).The delta between best and worse has to be decreased for any bonus math to work.One example of a solution:Every defense = average round down of best defense and itself plus add +1 at levels 11, 16, 21, and 26. Non-core feats (like Epic Iron Wind) not allowed.So, a PC at level one with defenses 16, 14, and 11 would instead have 16, 15, and 13. His same level foes are typically +5 to hit.A PC at level 30 with defenses 41, 36, and 32 would instead have 45, 42, and 40. His same level foes are typically +34 (or better). Higher level foes are typically +37 or +38 (against low to mid-40 ranges, synergy and paragon feat bonuses are still needed).This changes various sections of the chart to:[code] 1 11 9 711 10 8 621 10 8 630 11 8 6[/code]Delta of 4 at level one, delta of 5 at level 30. The best defense is still the best. The worse is still the worse. It's just that the non-best defenses do not fall off the bottom of the D20.And remember, this is for a same level creature.But, the real problem here is how large the delta between a good defense and a bad defense starts out and how much greater it can become. 9 is a big chunk of a D20.Note: Some DMs might feel more comfortable with +1 at 5, 15, and 25 instead of +1 at 11, 16, 21, and 26.What do you think of this Elric?</blockquote>

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