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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6928871" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Sorry I must have misread, seeing &quot;wall&quot; where the OP said &quot;cliff&quot;.All sarcasm aside, we've had more than a few debates on what counts as &quot;worked stone&quot;.Does stacking two or more natural rocks together make them &quot;worked&quot;?&nbsp; Obviously cutting or shaping them counts, but there are a lot of walls in the world that are made of stones taken straight from the field and stacked together.&nbsp; Not even quarried.Both Ireland and New England farms are often said to grow a new crop of rocks each year, and both regions feature fences made of these.&nbsp; The individual stones aren't &quot;worked&quot;, in that they aren't cut or shaped, yet the stone wall that results is definitely the result of a lot of work.&nbsp; Some have suggested that blasting away the &quot;worked&quot; surface of an excavated tunnel to reveal the raw rock beneath (Lightning Bolt can scour a 10' wide section of wall or ceiling) can make that area vulnerable to Soften Earth and Stone and Transmute Rock to Mud, both of which share that &quot;doesn't affect worked stone&quot; limitation.Others look at that as just another way to work stone, using magic instead of a pick or chisel.&nbsp; So my objection, while solidly based in the rules, is also in a solidly gray area.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6928871, member: 6669384"] Sorry I must have misread, seeing "wall" where the OP said "cliff". All sarcasm aside, we've had more than a few debates on what counts as "worked stone". Does stacking two or more natural rocks together make them "worked"? Obviously cutting or shaping them counts, but there are a lot of walls in the world that are made of stones taken straight from the field and stacked together. Not even quarried. Both Ireland and New England farms are often said to grow a new crop of rocks each year, and both regions feature fences made of these. The individual stones aren't "worked", in that they aren't cut or shaped, yet the stone wall that results is definitely the result of a lot of work. Some have suggested that blasting away the "worked" surface of an excavated tunnel to reveal the raw rock beneath ([I]Lightning Bolt[/I] can scour a 10' wide section of wall or ceiling) can make that area vulnerable to [I]Soften Earth and Stone[/I] and [I]Transmute Rock to Mud[/I], both of which share that "doesn't affect worked stone" limitation. Others look at that as just another way to work stone, using magic instead of a pick or chisel. So my objection, while solidly based in the rules, is also in a solidly gray area. [/QUOTE]

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