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<blockquote data-quote="nnms" data-source="post: 6348042" data-attributes="member: 83293">My solution to this whole issue is to concentrate on the core of game play.1) DM describes situation2) Players describe what their characters do.3) DM describes results and the new situationSo if there's a trap on the ground and they declare that they are just walking right up the corridor, I'll take into consideration how well hidden it is and how perceptive they are and go from there.&nbsp; I'll like use something like the passive skill thing to figure it out, but if I feel it's uncertain I'll do what the game text recommends and go to the dice.Similarly if there is a desk in a room with a key in a drawer and the player says their character is searching the desk thoroughly, I'm going to assume they are opening the drawers and will discover all the content of those drawers without needing to make an investigation roll.And if the real thing to be found is a button on the wall behind the desk but they don't say they are pulling the desk away from the wall or looking down behind it, they have no chance of finding the button.&nbsp; In this type of situation if someone says they are searching the desk thoroughly, I'll ask for more info and give them the opportunity to expand that such a search means flipping the desk over, breaking it apart or looking behind it.My take of the rules text is that it's trying to appeal to a couple different approaches at once.&nbsp; It seems to want to cover both the description heavy approach and the ability to summarize or skip over the details and just rely on a roll at the same time.&nbsp; &quot;I search the desk&quot; could mean that how thorough you are depends on how high you roll rather than what you declare your characters as doing, or it could mean that you just look at the surface and open a drawer or two with no roll needed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="nnms, post: 6348042, member: 83293"] My solution to this whole issue is to concentrate on the core of game play. 1) DM describes situation 2) Players describe what their characters do. 3) DM describes results and the new situation So if there's a trap on the ground and they declare that they are just walking right up the corridor, I'll take into consideration how well hidden it is and how perceptive they are and go from there. I'll like use something like the passive skill thing to figure it out, but if I feel it's uncertain I'll do what the game text recommends and go to the dice. Similarly if there is a desk in a room with a key in a drawer and the player says their character is searching the desk thoroughly, I'm going to assume they are opening the drawers and will discover all the content of those drawers without needing to make an investigation roll. And if the real thing to be found is a button on the wall behind the desk but they don't say they are pulling the desk away from the wall or looking down behind it, they have no chance of finding the button. In this type of situation if someone says they are searching the desk thoroughly, I'll ask for more info and give them the opportunity to expand that such a search means flipping the desk over, breaking it apart or looking behind it. My take of the rules text is that it's trying to appeal to a couple different approaches at once. It seems to want to cover both the description heavy approach and the ability to summarize or skip over the details and just rely on a roll at the same time. "I search the desk" could mean that how thorough you are depends on how high you roll rather than what you declare your characters as doing, or it could mean that you just look at the surface and open a drawer or two with no roll needed. [/QUOTE]

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