Permanency not very permanent?

[bret]

Nope. The spell is dispelled just like any other.

If you have See Invisibility made permanent and Hasted yourself and then get targeted by a Dispel Magic, it'll be able to dispel both, the Haste and the permanent See Invisibility, for example.

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Thanee

Sorry, I worded that poorly.

I was looking at an Area dispel as opposed to a targetted dispel. My recollection is that an Area dispel never takes down a Permanency.

 

[Thanee]

Why shouldn't it?

I was just using the Targeted Dispel as an example, but the Area Dispel is the same. In my example, you would first try to dispel the Haste, and if that doesn't work, you would dispel the See Invisibility as usual.

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Thanee

 

[Spatzimaus]

Here's what I'd do. The Psionic version (Incarnate) can't be dispelled with a Dispel Magic/Negate Psionics. It can be taken down with a 9th-level power (Psychic Chirurgy, I think), OR, by using Incarnate again.

So, let's change both of them. Make Permanency/Incarnate act like this:
> When dispelled with the usual (Dispel Maigc / Greater Dispelling / Negate Psionics), the ability is only temporarily suppressed (as a magic item). The usual caster level check is needed, but there's no minimum level.
> They can be negated by casting Permanency/Incarnate (either one) on the person (no XP cost? It's just a special use of the spell, sorta like countering). But in this case you make a caster level check to see if it worked, and you can only do that if you are of higher level than the original enchanter was.
> Or, they can be permanently negated with certain high-level spells (Wish / Miracle / Psychic Chirurgy) automatically. You cast it, the Permanency is gone.

Maybe there should be an XP cost for the removal. Maybe tweak the ranges.

 

[Red Baron]

I also have permanency affected by dispels as if it were an item (i.e., it is suppressed temporarily), but I would also add that if the dispel attempt is an extraordinary success (wins by 20+), the dispel is permanent.

Hasn't actually come up, yet, though...

 

[mirivor]

Are you guys sure about this? I thought that only Permancies cast on creatures/items other than the caster were dispelled. Permanent effects on the caster are only suppressed. I will read the PHB and get back with you on this...

 

[shilsen]

Are you guys sure about this? I thought that only Permancies cast on creatures/items other than the caster were dispelled. Permanent effects on the caster are only suppressed. I will read the PHB and get back with you on this...

Nope. The only difference between permanencies cast on other creatures/items and those on yourself is that the latter can only be dispelled by a caster of higher level than you were when casting the spell.

 

[mkletch]

I thought it was in the DnDFAQ, but I can't find it. It was posted in an 'official' location that spells permanent on the caster cannot be dispelled, but are supressed like a magic item. Spells made permanent on another creature, or on an object/area are subject to dispelling. Mordy's Disjunction kills either, though.

Permanency is too limited to be of any real value. Although you can reverse engineer the XP value for any spell by level, the spell is not presented that way. It should also have a 'system', not a list.

I'll try to find it and post it here (unless it was in the FAQ and revoked).

-Fletch!

 

[Skaros]

mkletch,

So, I'm guessing you never found any such ruling?

Thanks,

Skaros

 

[Stalker0]

I also house ruled that it isn't dispelled, its just dormant.

But I go a little harsher than just 1d4 rounds, I require 24 hours. That way its still worth it for permancy, but its not THAT permanent