Permanency scroll cost

[Antikinesis]

Well, then, why can one not have a Wondrous Parchment of Neverending Nightvision, which bestows permanent nightvision on the user, contains a single charge, and requires the spells nightvision and permanency (in addition to craft-wondrous-item) to create?

Can't have it both ways, y'know.

The scariest part of items like this (IMHO) is the lack of class restrictions. Any bozo can use a wondrous item.

-AK

 

[IceBear]

Well, the simple answer is...one could, if your DM allows it.

That's a valid point about the Wonderous Wand of Permancy - anyone could use it as it's not really a wand.

IceBear

 

[Antikinesis]

I guess you mean "a Wondrous Pointy Stick of Permanency".


-AK

 

[IceBear]

Yeah

Seriously though, if kreynolds allows his players to create a wonderous item that's shaped like a Wand, there's really nothing wrong with that (to me it kinda defeats the purpose of have Staff and Rod Creation Feats, but that's besides the point )

IceBear

 

[kreynolds]

(to me it kinda defeats the purpose of have Staff and Rod Creation Feats, but that's besides the point )

Staffs and Rods have specific purposes though. But a staff wouldn't be a bad idea. A Staff or Permanency, obviously, it would contain permanency, but it could also contain, darkvision, bless, mage armor, resist elements (the low level one, whatever it's called), ya' know, stuff like that.

Ooh, and a Staff of Creation...Staff of Beauty...Staff of Curses...hehehe.

 

[Caliban]

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Originally posted by IceBear
It's a wonderous item shaped like a pointy stick, not a wand
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Yuppers.

Theoretically, shouldn't that be created as a Staff (for a charged stick with spells above 4th level) or a Rod (for a non-charged stick)?

 

[kreynolds]

Theoretically, shouldn't that be created as a Staff (for a charged stick with spells above 4th level) or a Rod (for a non-charged stick)?

The "Wand" of Permanency doesn't need to be a staff. A staff usually contains a "collection" of spells that are generally "themed" to the name of the staff, such as a Staff of Winter that contains 4 or 5 different cold spells. Also, staffs use the spell-trigger activation method, which is not how the "Wand" of Permanency works. A "rod" is also not appropriate because the "Wand" of Permanency is in fact a charged item. Thus, I used spell level x caster level x 900. I figured the item was more themed towards that of a wand, even though it uses the same cost calculation formula as a wondrous item.

 

[BigAl]

Regarding the original question, I believe that you must specify the spell that will be permanent at the time that the scroll is created.

Thus, you couldn't say that it was a scroll of Permanency with a 500 xp budget, but you could create a scroll of Permanent Darkvision.

- Al

 

[kreynolds]

Thus, you couldn't say that it was a scroll of Permanency with a 500 xp budget, but you could create a scroll of Permanent Darkvision.

If I understand your suggestion correctly, you couldn't just make a scroll of permanency with 500XP in it, but you could make a scroll of permanency with 500XP in that will only work in conjunction with a separate casting of darkvision, even though darkvision hasn't been included on the scroll?

I must be reading this wrong. Something just doesn't "fit", IYKWIM.

 

[BigAl]

It sounds a bit off to me as well. But, when you place a spell on a scroll (a spell completion item), I believe that you must specify everything (except the target) when the scroll is created.

This seems to indicate that you must decide what effect will be made permanent when the scroll is created.

I'm not sure what would happen if you read a scroll that made Darvision permanent, but didn't have a Darvision spell currently in effect. Probably would be a big waste (but the DM would have to be a jerk to let a player waste such a scroll)

Then again, any mage creating such a scroll would probably also place a Darkvision spell on it as well, for convenience.

- Al