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<blockquote data-quote="ElectricDragon" data-source="post: 7182242" data-attributes="member: 10778"><p>Thank you for noticing the troll part, I do want to continue this conversation, without all the heated argument.</p><p></p><p>1. So my explanation for Int loss is not good for you? Negative mods to the skills equal in value to Int lost until reversed?</p><p></p><p>2. Spreadsheet? Don't know how to use those. pffbb! I am unsure even how that would help. You do need to note which skills have the neg mod from the "permanent" loss, but the actual training does not go away (you still have the same amount of ranks, just some become irrelavent until reversed). I don't know about you, but most character sheets I know of have lots of empty space to record odd things. "If I don't find ways to fill this space; they won't", is my theory. No skill can be totally unlearned by this rule, no new skills can be learned by this rule.</p><p></p><p>3. Game balance, that is what this is about, see #4 below.</p><p></p><p>4. [partially quoting my self] The "It is not realistic" answer could be spread to most of the other stats too: increased Strength must face a period of training until the full bonuses are gained from practice; increased Dexterity makes Reflex Saves (at the old number) to not trip over your own feet until you get used to it, increased Constitution doesn't give the hp until your body adjusts to being more resilient (or is it that your body becomes more adept at dodging, blocking, and parrying since hp are not really physical wounds for the most part); increased Charisma requires the use of the old Cha mod for Cha checks and Turn Undead rolls until the increased social ability is fully processed, etc. <strong>But wait, what if it's mid-level, and it's a book so probably not the stat they had been working on, yet still they get the full bonuses immediately. Int does not.</strong> Do you see the problem yet? And you have suggested the required waiting time period: until next level for all the mid-level stats. Or do you have a better rule to deal with this problem in the game? Denying it is a problem means you don't have to deal with it in your campaign, good for you. But I do, so trying to convince me that it should not be a rule is not what I am looking for; it was at the beginning in 2009, but now it is more of a "I gotta fix this" thingy. So, please help.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ElectricDragon, post: 7182242, member: 10778"] Thank you for noticing the troll part, I do want to continue this conversation, without all the heated argument. 1. So my explanation for Int loss is not good for you? Negative mods to the skills equal in value to Int lost until reversed? 2. Spreadsheet? Don't know how to use those. pffbb! I am unsure even how that would help. You do need to note which skills have the neg mod from the "permanent" loss, but the actual training does not go away (you still have the same amount of ranks, just some become irrelavent until reversed). I don't know about you, but most character sheets I know of have lots of empty space to record odd things. "If I don't find ways to fill this space; they won't", is my theory. No skill can be totally unlearned by this rule, no new skills can be learned by this rule. 3. Game balance, that is what this is about, see #4 below. 4. [partially quoting my self] The "It is not realistic" answer could be spread to most of the other stats too: increased Strength must face a period of training until the full bonuses are gained from practice; increased Dexterity makes Reflex Saves (at the old number) to not trip over your own feet until you get used to it, increased Constitution doesn't give the hp until your body adjusts to being more resilient (or is it that your body becomes more adept at dodging, blocking, and parrying since hp are not really physical wounds for the most part); increased Charisma requires the use of the old Cha mod for Cha checks and Turn Undead rolls until the increased social ability is fully processed, etc. [b]But wait, what if it's mid-level, and it's a book so probably not the stat they had been working on, yet still they get the full bonuses immediately. Int does not.[/b] Do you see the problem yet? And you have suggested the required waiting time period: until next level for all the mid-level stats. Or do you have a better rule to deal with this problem in the game? Denying it is a problem means you don't have to deal with it in your campaign, good for you. But I do, so trying to convince me that it should not be a rule is not what I am looking for; it was at the beginning in 2009, but now it is more of a "I gotta fix this" thingy. So, please help. [/QUOTE]
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