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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6267709" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>Remember when Gandalf, Harry Potter, Merlin, Harry Dresden, Dr. Strange, and Willow Ufgood all said hold on, I need to rest 8 hours so I can get my spells back?</p><p></p><p>Me neither.</p><p></p><p>Vancian spellcasting is gamist invention for D&D. I know it's called Vancian after Jack Vance's Dying Earth magic, but it's not that magic because every one of those spells was a named-spell that was the equivalent of a 9th level spell that could insta-kill almost anyone, was intelligent spells which you had to essentially mentally wrestle into your brain, and which was theoretically based on technology rather than magic in a manner similar to magic in Numenera. Heck, Vancian magic isn't even consistently Vancian, as Jack Vance portrays magic entirely differently in the Lynoesse Trilogy. </p><p></p><p>It's funny that you call at-will magic "pew pew", since "pew pew" is the sound kids make when pretending to fire a pistol, and it's actually a pistol which comes with only a limited number of shots in it. Vancian spellcasting is sort of like the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_night_special" target="_blank">Saturday Night Special</a> version of magic - a broke-down cheap and limited type of what "normal" wizards can do at the force of their will, because they're wizards! It would be like a car that can only drive 5 miles before it breaks down from over-heating and needs to sit overnight before it can drive another 5 miles.</p><p></p><p>Now all that is an exaggeration of course, as I am OK with using D&D-style Vancian magic to some extent. I just think there is a place for at-will magic, and that sort of magic makes more sense to me, is more consistently believable with almost all portrayals of magic in novels and movies and comics and plays and other expressions of culture, and it fits well with this game.</p><p></p><p>But yeah, I am pretty sick of you calling it pew-pew magic. I'd appreciate it if you knocked that off, because it's rude and unnecessary to make your point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6267709, member: 2525"] Remember when Gandalf, Harry Potter, Merlin, Harry Dresden, Dr. Strange, and Willow Ufgood all said hold on, I need to rest 8 hours so I can get my spells back? Me neither. Vancian spellcasting is gamist invention for D&D. I know it's called Vancian after Jack Vance's Dying Earth magic, but it's not that magic because every one of those spells was a named-spell that was the equivalent of a 9th level spell that could insta-kill almost anyone, was intelligent spells which you had to essentially mentally wrestle into your brain, and which was theoretically based on technology rather than magic in a manner similar to magic in Numenera. Heck, Vancian magic isn't even consistently Vancian, as Jack Vance portrays magic entirely differently in the Lynoesse Trilogy. It's funny that you call at-will magic "pew pew", since "pew pew" is the sound kids make when pretending to fire a pistol, and it's actually a pistol which comes with only a limited number of shots in it. Vancian spellcasting is sort of like the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_night_special"]Saturday Night Special[/URL] version of magic - a broke-down cheap and limited type of what "normal" wizards can do at the force of their will, because they're wizards! It would be like a car that can only drive 5 miles before it breaks down from over-heating and needs to sit overnight before it can drive another 5 miles. Now all that is an exaggeration of course, as I am OK with using D&D-style Vancian magic to some extent. I just think there is a place for at-will magic, and that sort of magic makes more sense to me, is more consistently believable with almost all portrayals of magic in novels and movies and comics and plays and other expressions of culture, and it fits well with this game. But yeah, I am pretty sick of you calling it pew-pew magic. I'd appreciate it if you knocked that off, because it's rude and unnecessary to make your point. [/QUOTE]
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