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<blockquote data-quote="Staffan" data-source="post: 8541087" data-attributes="member: 907">One of the issues with PF2 is that casters generally feel pretty weak against bosses, because there are a number of things that conspire against them:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bosses will have a very good chance of saving against any spells cast, which means that your most likely scenario is a successful save or even a crit. So if you're going for a debuff, you're getting the weak version of it. And forget about using anything with the Incapacitation trait.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">AOE damage spells feel like a waste against single creatures. They can also be problematic to use if your allies are trying to exploit numerical advantage in order to flank.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Single-target attack spells will likely miss, because monster AC is calibrated against martial attack bonuses, and for most of their careers casters are 2-4 points behind those (on account of proficiency lagging and no item bonuses).</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">There are very few single-target save spells. I think Secrets of Magic added some, but they're still pretty rare.</li>
</ul>That doesn't mean they're useless, but it's not where they feel strong. Which is a bit of a shame, because by their nature boss fights tend to be climactic.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Staffan, post: 8541087, member: 907"] One of the issues with PF2 is that casters generally feel pretty weak against bosses, because there are a number of things that conspire against them: [LIST] [*]Bosses will have a very good chance of saving against any spells cast, which means that your most likely scenario is a successful save or even a crit. So if you're going for a debuff, you're getting the weak version of it. And forget about using anything with the Incapacitation trait. [*]AOE damage spells feel like a waste against single creatures. They can also be problematic to use if your allies are trying to exploit numerical advantage in order to flank. [*]Single-target attack spells will likely miss, because monster AC is calibrated against martial attack bonuses, and for most of their careers casters are 2-4 points behind those (on account of proficiency lagging and no item bonuses). [*]There are very few single-target save spells. I think Secrets of Magic added some, but they're still pretty rare. [/LIST] That doesn't mean they're [B]useless[/B], but it's not where they feel strong. Which is a bit of a shame, because by their nature boss fights tend to be climactic. [/QUOTE]

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