PGtF/ Initiate Feats, Balanced?

reiella

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Bit curious now as to if these feats are really balanced 'as feats'.

Not denying that they add a nice touch of flavor to clerics of the appropiate deity, I'm just concerned about their relative balance. Especially given that they are close to exclusively the domain of Clerics, a class already 'considerably strong' on the power scale [I think at least, not sure in 3.5].

Assuming that they are balanced against each other (something I consider quite possibly questionable), are they 'balanced' against other feats?

They often give an ability ranging from a partial benefit from an existing feat (Initiate of Helm's partial Combat Reflexes) or even an existing feat (Initiate of Bane's Dreadful Wrath-type ability), and some spells.

The spells at least seem a bit questionable to me as a benefit, as that would normally require numerous feats (ala, Improved Spell Knowledge or Extra Spell). Now I can possibly buy that Extra Spell is a bit too "weak" of a feat when considered against a Cleric or certain spellcasters with "broad spellbooks", but this feat gains the added benefit of being spells that the Cleric could not normally obtain, but again they're restricted.

In all, I'm leaning towards at least 'in general' assuming that the Initiate feats are a bit too powerful "as feats".
 

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Do you mean this as an intellectual exercise, or experience from actual play? I don't think it's been out enough for groups to get much actual play experience with the initiate feats to accurately determine if they are balanced or not.
 

Pseudonym said:
Do you mean this as an intellectual exercise, or experience from actual play? I don't think it's been out enough for groups to get much actual play experience with the initiate feats to accurately determine if they are balanced or not.

Both actually, I'm sure it's come into play for enough groups to develop a few "at glance" opinions :).

[ After all, folks have already begun to comment that the XPH revision in play is unbalanced ... heh :P ]
 

From what I have seen so far (no practical experience), the feats seem pretty good (especially Mystra, which is clearly the best by far (ranging from extremely good to outright broken, depending on how you do the Anyspell stuff ;)), followed by Bane IMHO).

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Thanee
 

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