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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Xetheral" data-source="post: 9478082" data-attributes="member: 6802765">This early in the introduction of the 2024 rules, I think some (unknown) portion of the discussion of edge cases is motivated not by players trying to achieve a specific result, but is instead motivated by a desire to evaluate/review the 2024 rules. That can either be to inform a practical decision on whether or not to adopt the new rules, or else just a methodical part of deciding whether or not one thinks the 2024 rules are an improvement over the 2014 rules. In other words, some of the current discussion of edges cases I think is motivated by attempts to determine the merit of the 2024 rules, not to argue about what is/isn't/should/shouldn't be possible or attempted in actual play. (Conceptually, it's similar to testing a proposed new model at the extremes to evaluate robustness.)And I think WotC's decision to present the 2024 rules as an upgrade of the 2014 rules understandably increases the portion of the edge case discussion that is focused on evaluating the merit of the 2024 rules, rather than optimizing actual play choices. Whether or not the apparent number of issues in the 2024 rules compares favorably or unfavorably with the 2014 rules when released in 2014, presenting something new as an upgrade to a mature system unavoidably invites comparison of the 2024 rules to the 2014 rules as played in 2024. I've got the 2014 rules with 10 years of my accumulated house rules and rulings to address their edge cases, whereas every new edge case in 2024 would need to be addressed. When deciding whether to adopt the 2024 rules for my table or whether I think they are in fact an upgrade to the 2014 rules, it makes practical sense to compare what I already have to the new option that is on offer.As the 2024 rules themselves mature (assuming they see widespread adoption, anyway), I would expect the discussion of edge cases to shift away from questions of merit and more towards questions of practice, to which concerns regarding results-oriented reading would be more pertinent.</blockquote>

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