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PHB 2024 Is Hilariously Broken. Most OP of All Time?
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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 9481864" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>I'm using wotc own numbers here.</p><p></p><p> CoDzilla was always over rated online. It's mostly just the Druid. The least popular Class as well. Cleric requires non core stiff to do it's thing mostly complete divine.</p><p></p><p> I do play older editions and it's no secret I'm writing my own. </p><p></p><p> I've gone back through 3.5, Pathfinder, 4E phb. And Star Wars Saga. Have another look at the 3.5 phb. There's just not much there in class features or design. </p><p></p><p> The power is in feats and spells. 3.5 phb just doesn't have much going on. All the infamous ones are outside the phb. Exception being natural spell. </p><p></p><p> That leaved clerics for the most part. Without being able to apply metamagic for free and nake their buff spells last 24 hours there's just not that much they can do. Buff spells scale to potentially problematic levels of stacking around level 12. Divine power got nerfed from 30 and you generally have to hard cast it vs having it running 24/7. </p><p></p><p> </p><p> Outside the Druid there's just not much there until you hit the higher levels. I suspect sod all people played those levels back then either. Even then it was known higher level stuff didn't sell we have sales figures now essentially confirming it.</p><p></p><p> Then as now I'm fairly certain the vast majority of the player base are casuals. The biggest selling D&Ds are the simpler ones. 5E, basic line, 1E.The worst selling ones apart from OD&D are 3.5 and 4E.</p><p></p><p> ENworlds skews older, it's a bubble, a lot don't actually play D&D and it's completely useless for the most part in terns of what players actually like. Everyone has their favorite edition and are fairly entrenched. For the recent editions you have the WotC can do no wrong and wotc crowds are awful both are equally useless.</p><p></p><p> I don't have a favorite it helps<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 9481864, member: 6716779"] I'm using wotc own numbers here. CoDzilla was always over rated online. It's mostly just the Druid. The least popular Class as well. Cleric requires non core stiff to do it's thing mostly complete divine. I do play older editions and it's no secret I'm writing my own. I've gone back through 3.5, Pathfinder, 4E phb. And Star Wars Saga. Have another look at the 3.5 phb. There's just not much there in class features or design. The power is in feats and spells. 3.5 phb just doesn't have much going on. All the infamous ones are outside the phb. Exception being natural spell. That leaved clerics for the most part. Without being able to apply metamagic for free and nake their buff spells last 24 hours there's just not that much they can do. Buff spells scale to potentially problematic levels of stacking around level 12. Divine power got nerfed from 30 and you generally have to hard cast it vs having it running 24/7. Outside the Druid there's just not much there until you hit the higher levels. I suspect sod all people played those levels back then either. Even then it was known higher level stuff didn't sell we have sales figures now essentially confirming it. Then as now I'm fairly certain the vast majority of the player base are casuals. The biggest selling D&Ds are the simpler ones. 5E, basic line, 1E.The worst selling ones apart from OD&D are 3.5 and 4E. ENworlds skews older, it's a bubble, a lot don't actually play D&D and it's completely useless for the most part in terns of what players actually like. Everyone has their favorite edition and are fairly entrenched. For the recent editions you have the WotC can do no wrong and wotc crowds are awful both are equally useless. I don't have a favorite it helps;). [/QUOTE]
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