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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vaalingrade" data-source="post: 9481881" data-attributes="member: 82524">That is not difficult.Not really. The rogue tends to keep the same power relative to the other classes across editions.The only power-up they really got was not having entire creature types you just mean nothing in a fight with.3x players didn't know how to play a bard. A 3x bard gets a suggestion with a DC equal to their perform check. They get access to all the good control spells in an edition where the playerbase (and the DM) had no idea what control was nor a defense against it.By level 3, a 3x bard can just turn off any encounter with beings with minds using fascinate and walk past.Again: not hard.Have you met the 3x cleric? Despite having the worthless baggage of Turn Undead eating a quarter of their design space, they're still an S-tier class while the complaint about the 5x cleric is 'they can heal slightly good, but not really'.</blockquote>