[PHB2] Immediate Magic (Abrupt Jaunt) Spell-like or Extrodinary?

[javcs]

I'd say spell-like with no AoO. It's a hardcore powerful ability.

So a Supernatural ability?

 

[frankthedm]

I'd say spell-like with no AoO. It's a hardcore powerful ability.

I say spell-like WITH AoO, The ability is too powerful.

 

[Erywin]

I think that maybe Spell-like with AoO but seeing as you can do it defensively its pretty much a no brainer for the Wizard, his concentration is thru the roof.

 

[blargney the second]

Swift & immediate actions don't provoke AoOs by default. It's independent of Ex, Sp, or Su.

Edit: I just realized that my previous post was misleading - the two sentences were not causally related. The "hardcore powerful" bit was just an observation tossed in as an aside.

 

[blargney the second]

Here's the reference for swift actions.

 

[Liquidsabre]

BTW, Liquidsabre, it doesn't really work as a swift action since you can only take swift actions on your own turn.

Right, I suggested we use Abrupt Jaunt as a Swift action instead of as an Immediate action. This removed the ability to negate an attack through interruption and relegated it to use only during my character's turn, in addition to taking up a swift action for that round.

Using it in this way over the levels I found tremendous use out of it to avoid close combat and especially AoOs as I could port 10-ft (or "Bamf" ala nightcrawler style, as we called it at the table) away from an adjacent foe, cast a spell, and then take a move action to move further away if need be - all to avoid an AoO or having to cast defensively. In narrow hallways in a dungeon I was able to bamf through a barred gate, cast with a clear line of sight and then bamf behind a corner, cover, or allies and still have a move action to make use of either before or after. Made great use as a hit-and-run tactic as I could step out of cover, cast a spell, and then port back behind cover again.

I even used it to port 10-ft off a out of control wagon and off of a charging mount to escape dangerous situations. Of particular use I was able to jump pathetically 5-ft over a 10-ft wide pit and then teleported another 10-ft to the other side to save a comrade hanging from the edge after a botched jump. My party members thought I was insane but hadn't realized I could port across after a short jump. Since 10-ft is usually enough to get up one story I was able to jump off of a fence and teleport on top of the adjacent building's roof as well as step off and port safely back to the street below. Not bad for a wee little wizard.

We had to remove the immediate action use to reduce the ability's power level but even used as a Swift action this was still the coolest. Ability. Ever. I've never had so much fun thinking of creative new ways to make use of this ability. The only one I never got to try to use was peeking through a large keyhole and then teleporting to the otherside, as the only limitation for the ability appears to be line of sight.

 

[shilsen]

Right, I suggested we use Abrupt Jaunt as a Swift action instead of as an Immediate action. This removed the ability to negate an attack through interruption and relegated it to use only during my character's turn, in addition to taking up a swift action for that round.

Ah, okay - I misunderstood. Sounds like a damn good house rule, and you seem to have got some nice usage out of it. Nicely done

 

[Erywin]

Right, I suggested we use Abrupt Jaunt as a Swift action instead of as an Immediate action. This removed the ability to negate an attack through interruption and relegated it to use only during my character's turn, in addition to taking up a swift action for that round.

Using it in this way over the levels I found tremendous use out of it to avoid close combat and especially AoOs as I could port 10-ft (or "Bamf" ala nightcrawler style, as we called it at the table) away from an adjacent foe, cast a spell, and then take a move action to move further away if need be - all to avoid an AoO or having to cast defensively. In narrow hallways in a dungeon I was able to bamf through a barred gate, cast with a clear line of sight and then bamf behind a corner, cover, or allies and still have a move action to make use of either before or after. Made great use as a hit-and-run tactic as I could step out of cover, cast a spell, and then port back behind cover again.

I even used it to port 10-ft off a out of control wagon and off of a charging mount to escape dangerous situations. Of particular use I was able to jump pathetically 5-ft over a 10-ft wide pit and then teleported another 10-ft to the other side to save a comrade hanging from the edge after a botched jump. My party members thought I was insane but hadn't realized I could port across after a short jump. Since 10-ft is usually enough to get up one story I was able to jump off of a fence and teleport on top of the adjacent building's roof as well as step off and port safely back to the street below. Not bad for a wee little wizard.

We had to remove the immediate action use to reduce the ability's power level but even used as a Swift action this was still the coolest. Ability. Ever. I've never had so much fun thinking of creative new ways to make use of this ability. The only one I never got to try to use was peeking through a large keyhole and then teleporting to the otherside, as the only limitation for the ability appears to be line of sight.

This makes all kinds of sense to me. And rereading stuff I agree with Blarg, seeing as its an immediate, probably going with no AoO but definately thinking about changing it to a swift action and letting the player decide if he wants to keep it or not. Still deciding tho.

Cheers,
E

 

[MarkB]

Swift & immediate actions don't provoke AoOs by default. It's independent of Ex, Sp, or Su.

Edit: I just realized that my previous post was misleading - the two sentences were not causally related. The "hardcore powerful" bit was just an observation tossed in as an aside.

Here's the reference for swift actions.

So far as I can see, the only part of the Swift and Immediate Actions text that refers to whether they do or do not provoke AoOs is the line under Swift actions regarding spellcasting, which doesn't. There's nothing about whether any other form of Swift or Immediate action does or does not provoke.

 

[blargney the second]

I see what you mean. The part I neglected to mention was that the description of swift actions references free actions, which in turn "rarely incur attacks of opportunity". It's not really explicit one way or the other.
-blarg