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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FatherTome" data-source="post: 3654842" data-attributes="member: 50815">I disagree with MWM being 'broken' or 'too good'. Additionally, our group views MWM as an unnamed +2/+2 bonus which stacks on WF/GWF/WS/GWS.In the RAW context of D&D, using base classes exclusively, and only the PHB/DMG/MM, Fighters have certain advantages over Rangers, Barbarians, and Monks - 11 bonus fighter feats mean that you get all the cool combat moves, and if you take WF/GWF/WS/GWS, you're ending up with +2 to hit and +4 to damage at level 8. Bear in mind that around level 8, your fighter probably has a +2 sword, and if we're talking a stock longsword, that means 1d8+6+str damage per attack as a base, with (at level 8) a +12/+7 to hit before STR mods.A RAW barbarian lacks the WF chain but all other things being equal has greater strength when raging, so his great axe will be attacking at +10/+5 before STR and dealing 1d12+2+1.5*str, which puts his average damage as slightly better, his to hit rolls on par with the fighter, and his AC on average something like 7-9 points worse (assuming a barbarian uses a breastplate and the fighter uses full plate).If you add PHBII to the mix, the fighter now has the option to trade in some of his 'cool combat move' feats in exchange for more straight up to hit and damage, and gives you more options for 'cool combat moves'. If you use a slashing weapon, Slashing Flurry grants you an additional attack at a penalty (if I'm +16 to hit, and I use Slashing Flurry, instead of attacking at +16, +11, +6, +1, I attack at +11, +11, +6, +1, and -4). Combine Slashing Flurry with Weapon Supremacy's +5 to a single attack action, and you're effectively getting five iterative attacks instead of four.Fighters get flexibility - if all you want is damage, go with a barbarian-type.</blockquote>

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