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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 9442671" data-attributes="member: 85555">Sure but there is also just pointing to any criticisms as that (or some other social ill or toxic behavior). There are criticisms I find incredibly irritating for example. I don't think this quite files under the aforementioned label, but there was a trend online of people just declaring Starship Troopers the movie objectively bad, because they had a list of reasons it either failed as a satire or wasn't in line enough with the book. My memory is most of the arguments revolved around the satire issue. I thought, and still think, this was a pretty closed minded argument. I also disagreed with it. And I didn't like the forceful way it was being made (I am cool with people not liking a movie, but I don't like when people basically just scream it in your face or won't even listen to your points in a polite way about why you don't share their view. And it was a bit annoying seeing it become almost a kind of consensus online in som places (I would liken this to the weird new consensus among some youtube commentators that Jimi Hendrix is overrated or was too sloppy a player----to kind of rewrite the narrative of guitar history). But all that said, I'd rather not write off all those people doing the criticism or find an easy way to dismiss them. There may have been some people taking that position for political reasons even (and political reasons I very strongly disagree with). But we are at a point where we are hating each other over our opinions over movies. Yes there are probably people using criticism as a veil for their sexism or racism. I think there is a real danger in seeing that in everything (just like there is a danger in reading any kind of evil in a person's criticism or praise of a film). Especially if that is being used to dismiss people who are just passionate about a franchise. It is kind of like when people say fans of a show or the writers of a show, who are taking it in a new and different direction, want to destroy it (or worse want to destroy the culture). Some people are using these things to engage in a broader cultural conflict. I don't think we should give in to that. And some corporations are cynically using that context to make it taboo to criticize their products Where my personal line in all this is is when people go after individuals and beyond simply criticizing content. Dragging an actress through the mud for example or trying to paint a show runner as having a particular agenda. People get passionate about franchises they like, they get upset when franchises go in directions they think are not working. And people get upset when others are critical of shows or movies going in directions they love. People are treating this like it's a zero sum game in sudden death overtime. Neither of these camps are going away. People are going to have to learn to talk to each other and live with each other having very different opinions about media and not see the devil in the other side all the time</blockquote>

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