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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Velderan" data-source="post: 9494674" data-attributes="member: 7038056">Generally I think there isn't a wrong way to game, there's just wrong people to run a particular style of game or ruleset with. Early in the 3e days I was invited to join a group with some Army friends and the DM's style was basically "mess with the players so no matter what, they lose". No matter what you said, he'd find a loophole to have it turn out bad for you. The rest of the group was having fun with it because they saw it as a constant challenge to try to stay ahead of him and make him come up with more ridiculous ways to screw them over. I should probably point out for those who haven't served in the military, you spend a lot of time in isolated locations with nothing better to do in your downtime but mess with each other so everyone at the table was used to that sort of thing and they were having fun. But for me it wasn't how I wanted to enjoy D&D, so I left mid-session when a football game came on and never went back. But I would never say they're doing it wrong, because they were all having fun.On that note Snarf, I had a campaign idea I wanted to pitch for you to play in. I call it "Oops! All bards!"</blockquote>