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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scribe" data-source="post: 9517188" data-attributes="member: 6807152">--Frankly no, its not worth the discussion, because its a correct and factual statement.I read an article a week or 2 ago (gross, where has this month gone) and it said something to the effect of."We used to have facts, and we would then discussion the 10 impacts of those facts. Now, we have 10 alternative sets of facts, and we debate who is wrong, and which facts are correct, we never move on to the next step of solutions and action."Which amusingly (or sadly) is the story of this forum or at least many of the threads the last few months. Answers, legit and final, are being provided, but there is no more accepting of facts. Instead its twisted, goalposts are shifted, people are gaslit, and around and around it goes. I mean I'm now ignoring thread starters to get rid of threads because I dont want to just ban 80% of the actually small number of primary contributors to the site.I am sure part of it is a desire to be combative to 'get it out' because I get that, I've been there, but its a symptom of our decline as a society, it really is.Grifters are the new False Prophets. The new charlatans. The new snake oil salesmen.Sad AF.</blockquote>