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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9631802" data-attributes="member: 23751">I don't view crunch as harder to play vs. easier to play.&nbsp; I view it as rules and things you need to know.&nbsp; Complexity.&nbsp; We completely agree that 1e is harder to learn, but it was more from poor writing and confusion than amount of crunch.I also disagree that the more crunch at every level isn't true.&nbsp; Between powers and class abilities, the 4e ranger has to know a hell of a lot more than the 1e ranger.&nbsp; Half the 1e ranger abilities I mentioned didn't even kick in until 8th or higher level.The 1e ranger at 5th level had 3 abilities he needed to know, plus the restrictions, and he gained those at level 1.The 4e ranger at 5th level had 3 feats, 7 powers, however many skills(I didn't play that edition), plus all the class features just from being a ranger.So the 4e ranger started with more and gained stuff at every level, where the 1e ranger started with much less and gained nothing per level until 8th level, where he to cast 1 druid spell.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9631802, member: 23751"] I don't view crunch as harder to play vs. easier to play. I view it as rules and things you need to know. Complexity. We completely agree that 1e is harder to learn, but it was more from poor writing and confusion than amount of crunch. I also disagree that the more crunch at every level isn't true. Between powers and class abilities, the 4e ranger has to know a hell of a lot more than the 1e ranger. Half the 1e ranger abilities I mentioned didn't even kick in until 8th or higher level. The 1e ranger at 5th level had 3 abilities he needed to know, plus the restrictions, and he gained those at level 1. The 4e ranger at 5th level had 3 feats, 7 powers, however many skills(I didn't play that edition), plus all the class features just from being a ranger. So the 4e ranger started with more and gained stuff at every level, where the 1e ranger started with much less and gained nothing per level until 8th level, where he to cast 1 druid spell. [/QUOTE]

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