Pit Fiend vs Balor....BLOODWAR....who would win ?

[Darklone]

I may have awe and respect for the CEO of my software company, but that doesn't mean he can take down a Balor all by himself.

Right. AEGs Evil book has some thoughts about chaotic evil and lawful evil societies... short summary: CE rulers have to be tough and overpowering, LE rulers have a strict order between equally or comparable strong dudes ruling different parts.

Therefore the CE rulers would be lots tougher, but there would be more LE rulers.

 

[Bauglir]

I don't think the Pit Fiend stands any good chance to win outright. Even if it survives the endless vorpal attacks for long enough to drop the balor, it's unlikely to have enough hp left to survive the death throes

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Remember the Pit Fiend might try to disarm the Balor (if neccessary, by entering a grapple with him) or sunder its vorpal sword (Though the last might be impossible because of his lack of +5 weapons?)

Mustrum Ridcully

 

[Tabarnak Smokeblower]

I'd say the pit fiend should win. Why? simply because there are a LOT less Pit Fiends than Balors, and if a Balor could take out a Pit Fiend, then the Blood War wouldn't be eternal for too long

TS

 

[Hjorimir]

Pit Fiend creates a magical adamantine glaive via wish and proceeds to sunder the +1 vorpal longsword with a single attack. Gets into a grapple and just continues to put the SQUEEEEZE on the Balor.

 

[daTim]

Interesting question, but I dont see either one fighting very often. Pit Fiend/Balors are generally the Aristocrats of the Demon types. A Balor would probly just get its Marilith to handle his military affairs for him.

 

[Hackenslash]

Wow...quite a difference in opinions....

Thanks for all the replys. It seems that there is a difference in opinion on who would win the fight between a Balor and a Pit Fiend. At first I thought that it would be the Pit Fiend but I have done a little further research and after play testing one such battle the Balor Won, with it's Vorpal Sword really counting. However, due to the superior tactics of the Pit Fiend I am not sure that it would let itself get in a straight slug fest with a Balor so I might have to re-think my plans as to how to get them to fight each other on more even grounds with equal odds. Summond allies will not be an option for either of them and the few they will have as part of their entourage will be occupied and eventually handled by the PC's. With this climatic battle occuring in the Background. But I have to say that the Balors Vorpal Sword as a standar item is a force to be reckoned with. Thanks for all the feedback, Any other thoughts on how the Pit Fiend could even the odds using the standard rules and equipment it comes with in the 3.5 MM. Cheers All

 

[Darkness]

... sunder its vorpal sword (Though the last might be impossible because of his lack of +5 weapons?)

Hm. He doesn't need a +5 weapon - he needs a +1 weapon (enhancement bonus is what counts - DMG, p. 222).

But unless he has a +1 weapon, he's screwed as far as Sundering is concerned. (Wish notwithstanding, of course.)

- Maybe such a weapon is part of his treasure or else the PCs have one for him to use Darkness

 

[Hackenslash]

Interesting thought.....

Thanks Darkness, maybe that's how the PC's will help the Pit Fiend against the Balor, stepping in after they defeat the entourage and with the Pit Fiend Half dead from it's wounds, the PC's hand over a magic weapon to even the odds, now as it would only have to be a minimum of +1 to Sunder the Balors Vorpal sword, that should be within the reach of the PC's treasure limit...hehehehe ....Cheers !!!

 

[Hjorimir]

Even without restoring to a wish, it seems that getting its hands on a magical weapon to sunder the +1 vorpal longsword would be pretty much automatic for a Pit Fiend.

Given the nature of devils to have long drawn out plans, I would suggest that the Pit Fiend is probably aware of a possible encounter with the Balor and would plan accordingly.

If I was the Pit Fiend I would offer advancement to the Balor's Marilith with some cunning deal (we are talking about devils after all) that would work to my advantage.

I could see this playing out in a campaign where it looks like the Balor has every advantage in the upcoming battle to be outdone, in the end, by the double-crossing devils.

I've always kind of had the idea that the reason the nine hells can battle the obviously much larger abyss and hold them to a stalemate is due to superior planning and tactics. I could even theorize that the strife between Graz'zt, Orcus, and Demogorgan are the result of hellish machinations (ala Asmodeus).