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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9234182" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Sorry you don't get to decide what art is. That is a basic premise of the whole idea of art. Here is some art I created using AI and it is art and it is not "souless":</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]342515[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Maybe you don't like it, maybe you don't like it simply because it is AI generated. But that does not make it not art.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you don't buy their products specifically because there is AI art in them, then you are hurting those creators.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No they didn't. I was a pretty good programmer in my day, using primarily Matlab and Simulink. I can't code in Python or Java and I don't use stack overflow at all, so I can't effectively code today. The industry moved on and left me behind.</p><p></p><p>Most of the people who used to write machine language back in the 80s and 90s did not move on to programming in higher level languages, they ended up going completely into other lines of work like chip design or designing CLPDs.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You do what you want, but your choices should not prevent stop other people from using AI, buying AI or producing AI artwork.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It IS promoting IT growth. I have a team of 5 specifically working on developing AI and ML tools. 6 years ago when I got my current position we had zero people working on AI.</p><p></p><p>It will continue to promote growth, just like happened when machines replaced people on the production lines.</p><p></p><p>Back in 1975 we heard the same lame arguments about losing jobs because automation was replacing workers. When that happened we had about 900,000 people working in the auto manufacturing in the US. Today we have 1.1 Million in the U.S. and millions more in other countries producing parts for US cars.</p><p></p><p>We didn't lose jobs!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It replaces labor with something more efficient which enables those resources to be used more effectively.</p><p></p><p>I am not saying artist jobs won't be replaced, but many, many more jobs will be created and those will be better, higher paying jobs.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But I thought it was souless?</p><p></p><p>I now have people telling me that AI art is terrible and I have other people telling it is better than WOTC content sold at premium prices.</p><p></p><p>Which is it? Is AI art any good or not?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is enabling you to take that, put it in your own creative works and market them. As you noted you can generate 1000s of images and market them creating jobs for people at whatever publisher you use to publish them, providing roaylties to whatever online distributer you use. Jobs to advertise your images.</p><p></p><p>If you are doing this to earn a living it is helping you and you are the artist in this example!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is not under their control.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, absolutely I do. The people that care to will.</p><p></p><p>I mean "the people" didn't control the printing presses, "the people" didn't control the broadcasters in the 20th century. It is far, far easier to counter propaganda today and AI tools are available to everyone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9234182, member: 7030563"] Sorry you don't get to decide what art is. That is a basic premise of the whole idea of art. Here is some art I created using AI and it is art and it is not "souless": [ATTACH type="full" alt="1704333888615.png"]342515[/ATTACH] Maybe you don't like it, maybe you don't like it simply because it is AI generated. But that does not make it not art. If you don't buy their products specifically because there is AI art in them, then you are hurting those creators. No they didn't. I was a pretty good programmer in my day, using primarily Matlab and Simulink. I can't code in Python or Java and I don't use stack overflow at all, so I can't effectively code today. The industry moved on and left me behind. Most of the people who used to write machine language back in the 80s and 90s did not move on to programming in higher level languages, they ended up going completely into other lines of work like chip design or designing CLPDs. You do what you want, but your choices should not prevent stop other people from using AI, buying AI or producing AI artwork. It IS promoting IT growth. I have a team of 5 specifically working on developing AI and ML tools. 6 years ago when I got my current position we had zero people working on AI. It will continue to promote growth, just like happened when machines replaced people on the production lines. Back in 1975 we heard the same lame arguments about losing jobs because automation was replacing workers. When that happened we had about 900,000 people working in the auto manufacturing in the US. Today we have 1.1 Million in the U.S. and millions more in other countries producing parts for US cars. We didn't lose jobs! It replaces labor with something more efficient which enables those resources to be used more effectively. I am not saying artist jobs won't be replaced, but many, many more jobs will be created and those will be better, higher paying jobs. But I thought it was souless? I now have people telling me that AI art is terrible and I have other people telling it is better than WOTC content sold at premium prices. Which is it? Is AI art any good or not? It is enabling you to take that, put it in your own creative works and market them. As you noted you can generate 1000s of images and market them creating jobs for people at whatever publisher you use to publish them, providing roaylties to whatever online distributer you use. Jobs to advertise your images. If you are doing this to earn a living it is helping you and you are the artist in this example! It is not under their control. Yes, absolutely I do. The people that care to will. I mean "the people" didn't control the printing presses, "the people" didn't control the broadcasters in the 20th century. It is far, far easier to counter propaganda today and AI tools are available to everyone. [/QUOTE]
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