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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4633067" data-attributes="member: 2067">I'm a huge PS fan, so let me try to tease out your actual points and see if they bug me, too, in 4e...Kinda. But simplified core is, overall, a positive thing. The didn't go too far with the planes, because you still have a field where everything can exist -- the 4e model is only a model, just as the Wheel was, as mentioned, only a model.Positive thing. More fiddly rules means more annoying things I have to remember when I'm trying to run amazing plane-hopping adventures. It sacrificed some of the flavor, but there are other, more constructive ways to convey things like "Plane of Fire is Hot!"Why? I have issues with 4e making there be one Cosmic Sandwich to rule them all. Every DM should have the tools to define their own cosmology -- WotC should not tell you where your gods live, it's not for them to decide.I'll agree, but, dude, PS isn't a church, and you don't need to worship at the Shrine of Monte or anything. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />There's a few things they gain from that. Whether its worth it or not is kind of subjective.I honestly don't think they've trashed most of the multiverse. Seriously. Just 'cuz they don't have the pagecount to detail Bytopia (for instance) in the MotP doesn't mean it's not still hanging around somewhere, waiting to crop up when it would make sense to be used. I think they did a pretty good job in preserving (and even expanding on) most of the multiverse, actually. What was dropped that was inconvenient? Spell keys from 2e? "Plane of Forging" rules for magic weapons? These are all very good things to drop. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />To make demons and devils more distinct, so that when I'm fighting a devil, it is clearly a different experience from fighting a demon. Thematic. That said, alignments are very flexible. Make her CE and a tanar'ri if you want. 4e doesn't want that, but 4e and you have some different goals. That's fine. You can go your own way, and 4e can go its, and it'll be okay. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Tell ya what. Get yourself and 500 people who agree with you together. Then each of you gimmie $20. Within a year, I'll give all of you a 96 page pdf about the multiverse that you understand, brand new, referencing old stuff, all produced under the OGL, with new art, maybe up on Lulu so that you can print it/order it bound, and the most you'll hafta do is file some serial numbers off so I can dodge Wizard's IP Police. I'd be happy to do this as many times as you and those 500 friends want to give me $20 apiece.Heck, I might even do it for $10 apiece! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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