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<blockquote data-quote="kenmarable" data-source="post: 4636102" data-attributes="member: 40359"><p>I know what you mean - that guy is a jerk! Not to mention I'm surprised he wasn't permanently banned years ago. He's so indoctrinated by this Great Wheel garbage I doubt he could even consider someone <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinder/pathfinderChronicles/v5748btpy84bb" target="_blank">using another cosmology</a>. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>(Hey, Todd/Shemeska - thanks for the sig quote! I'm honored!)</p><p></p><p>Maybe I've just been blind, but I recall many threads of "I want to run some planar adventures, what do I need?" being answered with essential pdfs to buy and Great Wheel explanations. But I'd be surprised to see someone talking about their homebrew cosmology being told it is wrongbadfun and that they must buy those pdfs and use the Great Wheel or else they are doing it wrong. But I did leave EN World for a few months when the edition wars made the signal to noise ratio not worth it, so maybe they all happened during that time? </p><p></p><p></p><p>Normally, if someone is going to call an entire group of fans intolerant, I'd demand some links. But whatever. This thread is taking a nose dive fast if we are dropping into arguing over which group of fans are cool and which are jerks. I bet you could pick any random topic and I can google up some <a href="http://www.mlparena.com/Forums/viewtopic/p=1959243.html" target="_blank">rude fans</a> of it.</p><p></p><p>And underthumb, I feel your pain, but I've found it healthiest to let it go and move on. When 4e first came out I typed many a rant at the changes I disagreed with (might have even posted one or two, but I tried not to). But 4e is what it is, and most importantly your game can be whatever the Lawful Evil Baatezu-laden Nine Hells (right next door to Acheron and Gehenna and across the Wheel from decidedly non-boring Arborea*) you want it to be! You want to support the Great Wheel or any cosmology that you feel is more complex/richer/whatever - then post story hours and fan material. It's one thing to say what you think WotC did wrong, and another to do your part to support what you think needs supporting!</p><p>(Sorry, trying not to put on the motivational speaker hat. Not to delve into politics, but I did watch some oath being taken by someone or other today and then blasted Beethoven's 9th - "Ode to Joy", so I'm in that kinda mood. I beg your pardons.) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>* That reminds me - someone (Gary Ray?) had a whole site dedicated to their Arborea campaign at Tales of the Bariaur. I'll have to dig around at archive.org and see if it still exists somewhere. That had some fascinating ideas. <em><strong>Update:</strong> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040812153723/bariaur.com/dusttodust/index.html" target="_blank">Found it!</a></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kenmarable, post: 4636102, member: 40359"] I know what you mean - that guy is a jerk! Not to mention I'm surprised he wasn't permanently banned years ago. He's so indoctrinated by this Great Wheel garbage I doubt he could even consider someone [url=http://paizo.com/pathfinder/pathfinderChronicles/v5748btpy84bb]using another cosmology[/url]. ;) (Hey, Todd/Shemeska - thanks for the sig quote! I'm honored!) Maybe I've just been blind, but I recall many threads of "I want to run some planar adventures, what do I need?" being answered with essential pdfs to buy and Great Wheel explanations. But I'd be surprised to see someone talking about their homebrew cosmology being told it is wrongbadfun and that they must buy those pdfs and use the Great Wheel or else they are doing it wrong. But I did leave EN World for a few months when the edition wars made the signal to noise ratio not worth it, so maybe they all happened during that time? Normally, if someone is going to call an entire group of fans intolerant, I'd demand some links. But whatever. This thread is taking a nose dive fast if we are dropping into arguing over which group of fans are cool and which are jerks. I bet you could pick any random topic and I can google up some [url=http://www.mlparena.com/Forums/viewtopic/p=1959243.html]rude fans[/url] of it. And underthumb, I feel your pain, but I've found it healthiest to let it go and move on. When 4e first came out I typed many a rant at the changes I disagreed with (might have even posted one or two, but I tried not to). But 4e is what it is, and most importantly your game can be whatever the Lawful Evil Baatezu-laden Nine Hells (right next door to Acheron and Gehenna and across the Wheel from decidedly non-boring Arborea*) you want it to be! You want to support the Great Wheel or any cosmology that you feel is more complex/richer/whatever - then post story hours and fan material. It's one thing to say what you think WotC did wrong, and another to do your part to support what you think needs supporting! (Sorry, trying not to put on the motivational speaker hat. Not to delve into politics, but I did watch some oath being taken by someone or other today and then blasted Beethoven's 9th - "Ode to Joy", so I'm in that kinda mood. I beg your pardons.) :D * That reminds me - someone (Gary Ray?) had a whole site dedicated to their Arborea campaign at Tales of the Bariaur. I'll have to dig around at archive.org and see if it still exists somewhere. That had some fascinating ideas. [i][b]Update:[/b] [url=http://web.archive.org/web/20040812153723/bariaur.com/dusttodust/index.html]Found it![/url][/i] [/QUOTE]
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