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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4812315" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>I think the big leap of logic that needs to be made to see it in PS-style is this:</p><p></p><p>There is not just one universe.</p><p></p><p>The universes overlap. According to my understanding of the "consensual cosmology," in a world where humans believe they're the most important and werewolves believe that humans aren't the most important, <strong>they're both right</strong>. The world responds to both of those beliefs as if they were true.</p><p></p><p>The only time that can't hold is when they come into direct conflict in the narrative somehow (when humans are blatantly disregarding the laws of nature and the werewolves have to stop them; or when the werewolves ar exterminating humans and the humans have to fight them off). Where they come into conflict, the answer is often academic in the face of the tooth and fang and sword and gun. </p><p></p><p>I mean, how do you even prove the truth of something like that, from the standpoint of a native? You can't, really. You're not in any position to ask the Creator with any sense of certainty (and, in D&D, even the Creators could be lying out their wazoo, according to certain beliefs).</p><p></p><p>I tend to think that overly defined universes kind of cut the creative threads and philosophical disputes before they get going. From the perspective of the role we're playing, there's no reason that mutually exclusive things can't be simultaneously true.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 4812315, member: 2067"] I think the big leap of logic that needs to be made to see it in PS-style is this: There is not just one universe. The universes overlap. According to my understanding of the "consensual cosmology," in a world where humans believe they're the most important and werewolves believe that humans aren't the most important, [B]they're both right[/B]. The world responds to both of those beliefs as if they were true. The only time that can't hold is when they come into direct conflict in the narrative somehow (when humans are blatantly disregarding the laws of nature and the werewolves have to stop them; or when the werewolves ar exterminating humans and the humans have to fight them off). Where they come into conflict, the answer is often academic in the face of the tooth and fang and sword and gun. I mean, how do you even prove the truth of something like that, from the standpoint of a native? You can't, really. You're not in any position to ask the Creator with any sense of certainty (and, in D&D, even the Creators could be lying out their wazoo, according to certain beliefs). I tend to think that overly defined universes kind of cut the creative threads and philosophical disputes before they get going. From the perspective of the role we're playing, there's no reason that mutually exclusive things can't be simultaneously true. [/QUOTE]
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