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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4812938" data-attributes="member: 710"><p>Don't be to focused on this example. The main gist is that stuff can exist that no one knew or believed. A dead god returning is an example for that. If believe shapes the reality, that cannot happen, because the point was no one believed it. (Of course, if only a <em>few</em> believe it, it stands to question why their singular belief is so much stronger than that of the rest of the world.)</p><p></p><p>The dead god returning on his own can have special consequences - first, he might be without allies. No one expected him, no one wanted him. But yet he is there, taking an interest in things, defying expectations, wrecking plans. The unique thing might be contacting him peacefully and figuring out what he wants, how or why he came back. You can't hope for proxies to help them (like cultists that still worshipped him.)</p><p></p><p>Hey, you don't even have to return him alone. It could just be that the cultist that returned him find themselves surprised that he is decidedly not how they or the rest of the world expected or believed him to be. He doesn't see them as allies, but as pathetic weaklings and destroys the cultists first. He doesn't enter a fight with Bahamut as everyone would have expected, aind instead destroys Vecna. So, what's really going on? How did he trick the cultists? Did he change? How could he, if he was dead? Is he even himself or did something else came through that summoning circle? Again, what does he want?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4812938, member: 710"] Don't be to focused on this example. The main gist is that stuff can exist that no one knew or believed. A dead god returning is an example for that. If believe shapes the reality, that cannot happen, because the point was no one believed it. (Of course, if only a [I]few[/I] believe it, it stands to question why their singular belief is so much stronger than that of the rest of the world.) The dead god returning on his own can have special consequences - first, he might be without allies. No one expected him, no one wanted him. But yet he is there, taking an interest in things, defying expectations, wrecking plans. The unique thing might be contacting him peacefully and figuring out what he wants, how or why he came back. You can't hope for proxies to help them (like cultists that still worshipped him.) Hey, you don't even have to return him alone. It could just be that the cultist that returned him find themselves surprised that he is decidedly not how they or the rest of the world expected or believed him to be. He doesn't see them as allies, but as pathetic weaklings and destroys the cultists first. He doesn't enter a fight with Bahamut as everyone would have expected, aind instead destroys Vecna. So, what's really going on? How did he trick the cultists? Did he change? How could he, if he was dead? Is he even himself or did something else came through that summoning circle? Again, what does he want? [/QUOTE]
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