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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 161752" data-attributes="member: 326">Hi Anubis mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Initially I did simply come up with new CRs. But a quick and simple mechanism saves a lot of time.Believe it or not I actually had Planetars at CR19-20 when I predetermined them.Planetars are equal to 17th-level Clerics but they do suffer from a severe deficit in magic items compared to a 17th-level character!&nbsp; Actually they don't have Meteor Swarm.Vorpal Swords will always give you the edge (no pun intended) but they would never add more than +1 to a CR.I do believe a group of 4 x 16th-level characters would defeat a Balor (in a fight to the finish).There are no hard and fast mechanics that can cover every ability. The best you can hope for is a 'rough estimate' (as with the above system)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 161752, member: 326"] Hi Anubis mate! :) Initially I did simply come up with new CRs. But a quick and simple mechanism saves a lot of time. Believe it or not I actually had Planetars at CR19-20 when I predetermined them. Planetars are equal to 17th-level Clerics but they do suffer from a severe deficit in magic items compared to a 17th-level character! Actually they don't have Meteor Swarm. Vorpal Swords will always give you the edge (no pun intended) but they would never add more than +1 to a CR. I do believe a group of 4 x 16th-level characters would defeat a Balor (in a fight to the finish). There are no hard and fast mechanics that can cover every ability. The best you can hope for is a 'rough estimate' (as with the above system) [/QUOTE]

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