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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8390422" data-attributes="member: 83242">If you want to recreate the PF2 deadliness in 5e you need to attack the monster side of things, not the PC side of things. In PF2 a monster becomes deadly in the +3-5 level range.  In 5e that equates to the +6-10 CR range.If you are throwing a CR 24 Ancient red dragon at your lvl 14 -15 part of 4 (which actually works out RAW in 5e, see: <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/encounter-building-its-not-deadly-its-epic.682439/" target="_blank">It's not Deadly, its Epic</a>) your group will likely feel the pain.So, on that front, since PCs are supposed to compatible. I don't think there will be any change on the PC side, although the bloodied state may make PCs feel more vulnerable.  Now, from what I have seen the LevelUp monsters are not particularly more deadly.  However, we have seen so few to know for sure, and from what the previewed from the encounter building guidelines, I think that is where they are tackling it.  I would imagine that my suggest of +6-10 for the CR compared to party level will still hold.</blockquote>