Player Handout: A Master Feat List?

[Sorren]

Here's mine...I took that download, added the XPH and the Epic feats associated with the listed books, and did some reorganizing. It's even color coded (see page 2) and super easy to change around.

Sweet!
Thanks a lot!
anybody thinking of entering the Eberron feats in there? I would, but I don't have my book handy.

 

[Taluron]

There used to be a list on WoTC's website that was a master WoTC feat list. It had feats from their source books and (I think) the website itself but not the magazines. I was looking for it today but couldn't find it. Don't know if they don't have it anymore or I just searched the wrong things.

 

[Sorren]

I've got a Master Weapons/Armor/Equipment list I'm working on now. I'll post it in a few days or so.

 

[reanjr]

This is incomplete, but it might be helpful.

Maybe someone can clarify for me how that is NOT copyright infringement...

 

[Sorren]

Maybe someone can clarify for me how that is NOT copyright infringement...

I guess technically it would be, but so is me typing the word "Beholder". Besides, there really isn't enough info to use most of the non-OGL feats, and WOTC has never shown that they care that we do this sort of thing. That's why all the fan sites can peacefully exist.

Now if we were posting word-for-word write-ups of non-OGL feats, then I could see it being an issue.

If anything, it's free advertising since the stuff posted is little more than a teaser and info telling you what book it's in.

 

[reanjr]

I guess technically it would be, but so is me typing the word "Beholder". Besides, there really isn't enough info to use most of the non-OGL feats, and WOTC has never shown that they care that we do this sort of thing. That's why all the fan sites can peacefully exist.

Now if we were posting word-for-word write-ups of non-OGL feats, then I could see it being an issue.

If anything, it's free advertising since the stuff posted is little more than a teaser and info telling you what book it's in.

Typing the word Beholder is not copyright infirngement. Using a beholder in an original piece of fiction would be. Talking ABOUT beholders is simply fair use. Quoting passages for review or discussion is also fair use.

You already described the benefit. 80% of those can be fully engineered from the benefit description alone (except the prereqs which are kindly included). Maybe Wizards doesn't notice; that doesn't mean they don't care. Why do you think the OGL was created? So that Wizards could have a system of defining what could and COULD NOT be reiterated by the community. This entire thread is slapping them in the face and spitting in their eye for their generosity.

There have been several times I have wanted to discuss various topics, like XP and leveling. I have refrained because it's not in the SRD. It really is very impolite to post this kind of stuff, even if it does slide into the fuzzy realms of citation and reference.

 

[Sorren]

There have been several times I have wanted to discuss various topics, like XP and leveling. I have refrained because it's not in the SRD. It really is very impolite to post this kind of stuff, even if it does slide into the fuzzy realms of citation and reference.

So why not talk about it? How is this different than talking about beholders? So long as you don't post the XP table, you are in the clear. But what about the formula they use to make up the table? I'm pretty sure the formula itself isn't anywhere in any WOTC book, but you could use that to backwards engineer that as well. As far as I can tell, you could talk about the formula till your lips (fingers?) go numb.

There is a fine line here, no doubt. But the fact is, WOTC is VERY lenient about letting people use their stuff. As long as it isn't a word-for-word write-up, I don't think there is a problem.

You can backwards engineer anything.

The point is, it's not like any of us are making any money off this. WOTC isn't going to loose one red cent. If anything, its promotional. Anyone that reads those documents is going to get a vage idea of what those feats do. There are few I'm sure they could use as written, but you'd probably find those same few written up elsewhere on this board.

Have you not seen all the threads about a new books? It's practicly tradition that the first person who receives a book around here answer questions for the rest of us. I've seen it go on for dozens of pages with whole prestige classes detailed. All with WOTC employees posting in the same thread.

I've never seen a WOTC employee tell someone to take down a post. I'm not going to say it's NEVER happened, but I've never seen it and I've been on these boards since Eric ran them.

 

[reanjr]

So why not talk about it? How is this different than talking about beholders? So long as you don't post the XP table, you are in the clear. But what about the formula they use to make up the table? I'm pretty sure the formula itself isn't anywhere in any WOTC book, but you could use that to backwards engineer that as well. As far as I can tell, you could talk about the formula till your lips (fingers?) go numb.

Well part of what I wanted to talk about was how to simplify the existing table, so in talking about it I would fully describe how to engineer it.

The point is, it's not like any of us are making any money off this. WOTC isn't going to loose one red cent. If anything, its promotional. Anyone that reads those documents is going to get a vage idea of what those feats do. There are few I'm sure they could use as written, but you'd probably find those same few written up elsewhere on this board.

Wizards not losing any money? That's probably not entirely true. There are plenty of people who buy those "splat" books for the feats and spells. By giving away the feats (I haven't actually read the DotF feats [I own it but never sat down and read it; and I'm not a fan of feats] and I'm pretty sure I can reverse engineer 90% of those feats on that spreadsheet from what's on there), you may give someone something that they otherwise might have paid for in the future (either by buying DotF or the Complete Divine in the example case). And just because one can find someone else who is giving away stolen property doesn't mean one should do it themselves.

Have you not seen all the threads about a new books? It's practicly tradition that the first person who receives a book around here answer questions for the rest of us. I've seen it go on for dozens of pages with whole prestige classes detailed. All with WOTC employees posting in the same thread.

I've never seen a WOTC employee tell someone to take down a post. I'm not going to say it's NEVER happened, but I've never seen it and I've been on these boards since Eric ran them.

I have seen those threads, and I am not particularly keen on those either sometimes, though you have to remember that those are very often OGL products.

And Wizards employees, I'm sure, do not speak for Wizards or Hasbro. Even if you were to ask them directly about this topic, I doubt they would even be able to answer without checking with someone back at the office.

I may sound a bit harsh, but I am in the software industry and this incorrect (in the legal sense) attitude that many people have about Intellectual Property is very damaging to that industry (most people I've talked to are not even remotely aware that you cannot use one copy of Word to install on three machines or that the copy of Windows you get with a new PC is not transferrable to a new machine even if you delete the old one). And it's especially uncalled for when a company releases most of their stuff under an Open license and then simply asks to keep a few things to themselves.

 

[GoodKingJayIII]

Nice feat lists guys. I really need to figure out how to use Excel's full potential.

 

[Sorren]

I don't think WOTC will go bankrupt because we share DM aids across a messageboard. I'd honestly be surprised if this spreadsheet stopped even one person from buying a book they otherwise intended to buy. If the mods want to lock or delete this thread, they can. But, so far it's proven useful to myself and a few others and I think that's great.

If somebody really wants those feats, they can save themselves the trouble of reverse engineering them and go download the whole book from their pirating software of choice. *shrugs* We're obviously seeing this thread from two very different points of view and I don't think it's likely either of us will change the other's mind. So instead of carrying on the point-counterpoint game, I'll just say I have no wish to discuss copyright infringment or pirating on a thread, or forum for that matter, dedicated to making my gaming easier.

No offense. I'm sure you have some very valid points you could make, but I just don't want to get into it. If you feel the need to report the thread to a mod and express your views, feel free.