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<blockquote data-quote="Wrathamon" data-source="post: 6332469" data-attributes="member: 7989"><p>While I may disagree with your opinion on the dragonborn, I agree with your way of handling it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it should be applied to this tiefling history debate...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Why can't you have the PS tiefling's lore ... its your game. Nothing is saying Hey you can't have orphans from the planes? They ruined them? They actually MAY have them (we dont know).</p><p></p><p>I never use the lore in the books, for me the lore is there for inspiration, what's not to like about new stories? If you dont like the new story, use the old one, or make a new one up that you do like. If you dont like dragons with boobs, then dont have ones with boobs in your game, or dont have them in your game at all. The art is also there for inspiration. If you look at the art its all different anyways. It's all interpretation. </p><p></p><p>I for one never liked tieflings till 4e ... I played AD&D and skipped most of 2nd edition, so I only really know of them from 3e and the older 2e planescape books. Now of course this was mostly cause I glossed over them and only read the surface, but they felt like 1/2 orcs for planescape. The new story sounds way more interesting to ME, but nothings is wrong with the 2e or 3e take imo.</p><p></p><p>But, what's great is you can have both! or Neither! </p><p></p><p>I'm in the "not a gnome liker" camp, but that wont stop me from buying the PHB and then telling my players that gnomes and half lings are the same thing. And, dwarves are wizards in my world, and elves are evil and the orcs rule most of the world like the great khans. You can play a dragonborn and she can have boobs if you want or you can play one that doesnt. I am not going to tell you how your character looks or feeds their young.</p><p></p><p>Embrace new stories, new ideas, take what you like from the past, add it to your own stories. </p><p></p><p>It's fine to have debates over what is your favorite, which I think this is mostly about. But, I have read a lot of I wont buy/play this game remarks because dragonborn are in the game or drow are a playable race. Or, their are no Eladrin, or where are the minotaurs? </p><p></p><p>It's just sad.</p><p></p><p>EDITED: Btw I do understand that some people are actually writers for these things, and to them I TOTALLY understand the big picture, because how do you write a new story for a product and have it feel authentic if your references are not inline with the other writers. get it. I think those are the most viable arguments for changing alot of lore. It makes it harder to write new stuff that is in context. Art as well, but it seems most take way more liberty wih that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wrathamon, post: 6332469, member: 7989"] While I may disagree with your opinion on the dragonborn, I agree with your way of handling it. I think it should be applied to this tiefling history debate... Why can't you have the PS tiefling's lore ... its your game. Nothing is saying Hey you can't have orphans from the planes? They ruined them? They actually MAY have them (we dont know). I never use the lore in the books, for me the lore is there for inspiration, what's not to like about new stories? If you dont like the new story, use the old one, or make a new one up that you do like. If you dont like dragons with boobs, then dont have ones with boobs in your game, or dont have them in your game at all. The art is also there for inspiration. If you look at the art its all different anyways. It's all interpretation. I for one never liked tieflings till 4e ... I played AD&D and skipped most of 2nd edition, so I only really know of them from 3e and the older 2e planescape books. Now of course this was mostly cause I glossed over them and only read the surface, but they felt like 1/2 orcs for planescape. The new story sounds way more interesting to ME, but nothings is wrong with the 2e or 3e take imo. But, what's great is you can have both! or Neither! I'm in the "not a gnome liker" camp, but that wont stop me from buying the PHB and then telling my players that gnomes and half lings are the same thing. And, dwarves are wizards in my world, and elves are evil and the orcs rule most of the world like the great khans. You can play a dragonborn and she can have boobs if you want or you can play one that doesnt. I am not going to tell you how your character looks or feeds their young. Embrace new stories, new ideas, take what you like from the past, add it to your own stories. It's fine to have debates over what is your favorite, which I think this is mostly about. But, I have read a lot of I wont buy/play this game remarks because dragonborn are in the game or drow are a playable race. Or, their are no Eladrin, or where are the minotaurs? It's just sad. EDITED: Btw I do understand that some people are actually writers for these things, and to them I TOTALLY understand the big picture, because how do you write a new story for a product and have it feel authentic if your references are not inline with the other writers. get it. I think those are the most viable arguments for changing alot of lore. It makes it harder to write new stuff that is in context. Art as well, but it seems most take way more liberty wih that. [/QUOTE]
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