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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 7292229">Your comment appears to suggest that making choices to overcome challenges and telling a fun and memorable tale in the doing is the game and dice-rolling isn't. Since that is not the case, you shouldn't be bothered deep inside in my view.See what I did there?But since what I said was nothing of the sort, and whatever you read was all in your head, I'm just putting it back on you.Whether or not you like it rolling the dice is part of the game.  Some people enjoy rolling the dice.  I wouldn't have the collection of dice that I do if I didn't, and most of my friends feel the same.  Anecdotal I know but there seems to be a rather large market for these dice thingies, so I'd imagine people playing with them like to use them.What they are expressing is their in-character feeling of uncertainty about a subject.  What they are also expressing is their player sense of security in the truthfulness and necessity of the dice.  We could play without the dice completely, cooperatively narrating the results as we go but frankly the game wouldn't have been designed with dice if we weren't intended to use them.Yes I understand that.Some people, myself included, believe this to be true.  We're no more right or wrong than you are, we just play differently, which was really all I was pointing out.There's a point I expressed above that I believe you are missing.  Which is, I still want players to wait for me to say "Okay, make your roll." but that they may not always be rolling against anything other than their imagination.  I find that it adds to the game to allow people to look for things that may not actually be that, representing how their character is currently handling the situation.  Some characters (and players) can develop quite the sense of paranoia of threats lurking around the corner.  I indulge that because I find it produces good roleplay.Now now, I didn't say any of that.  It's a cooperative game, regardless of if there's one God Emperor DM or not.  The DM can't run a game if the players don't want to play, and as such the game is a give-and-take by necessity.  If we set things up so that it isn't, so that the players can only participate when the DM decides they can, then it isn't a give-and-take and then yes I question if we're actually playing the game or not.I don't know anything about those accusations and I wasn't leveling them at you or anyone else with that line, I was simply pointing out that there's a certainty and reliability that comes with dice.  And that some players really like that, and that I understand that, which leads to how I DM.</blockquote>

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