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Message: <blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7292467" data-attributes="member: 6919838">So i have two cases you have given good info about...secret doors - you say i chose to do the knife mortar scrape to look for secxret doors and the info i get back basically nothing about secret doors but i get back "no seams" type responses and if i wonder about confidence i am confident i found no seams and if i want to actually know how that applies to being sure about secret doors i get to try another check using another skill check which seems to turn it into a two skill proficiency.Healing poison - i tell you i use my herbal poultice a to slow poison and i wont need to now medical stuff to assess the result you will give me cuz - what -will it be clearer than the seam thing? Are you aware that for some medical cases "the pain goes away" is a good sign and for others it is a very very very bad sign? Same for fevers? Same for chills? Same for a whole lot of symptoms for a whole lot of problems? So, if your description for the poison poultice thing is equally a report of "application was successful and fever broke[or any symptom subsides]" leaving me to interpret that as good or bad  - heaven help me if its some demonic arcane poison where there is actually no medical basis for symptom to results assessment - or is it going to be an actual assessment of success  failure to the goal - curing the patient/slowing the poison, etc and not just the test results like we got with the knife and mortar? If they player asked "how sure am i if this is helping" would they also need a successful int check or just be told "you are sure you put it on them and sure the [insert change described]" like we saw in the secret door example you cited???See, i am fully down with rewarding players for catching clues and hints... thats part of the story and narrative and mystery/puzzle solving part of the game. to me its integral to the story. this is just the first case i think the puzzle solving part of the game being required for actually interpreting the outcome of the characters using its aptitudes and skills for the basic functions they are designed for as the default practice. At least, for some skills cases if not others, hard to tell at this point.But i will give you this.... if you explained to me right away at chargen that investigate would be used to actually translate the results of the other skill rolls on an ongoing basis, in addition to its own uses, i would expect you would definitely i think see a lot more proficiency into investigate put in play. Investigate - the follow-up skill for the others.</blockquote>

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