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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7300965" data-attributes="member: 6779196">That ”interesting approach that might work in some cases” is the goal-and-approach method of action resolution. When the player states a goal that is impossible to achieve by their stated approach, you don’t roll dice to see what else happens. You re-frame the action in terms of a different goal and approach.Player: I try to jump to the Moon! (Here the DM ascertains a goal - get to the moon - and an approach - by jumping, and makes a judgment call about whether or not the approach can reasonably achieve the goal)DM: Yeah, that’s not going to happen (here the DM informs the player of the results of their action)Player: Yeah, but I could still get pretty high. Like over that cover maybe. (Here the player re-frames their action. Now the DM ascertains the goal - get over the cover - and the approach - by jumping. The DM might instead have suggested this different framing themselves. For example, “You can’t jump to the Moon. The best you can hope for is to jump over that cover. Want to try?”)DM: Ok, go ahead and make a Dexterity (Athletics) check. (Here the DM has determined that the approach has a reasonable chance of succeeding in achieving the goal, a reasonable chance of failing to achieve the goal, and the appropriate method for resolving the outcome.)I pointed it out for the sake of clarity. But whatever, it’s not an important distinction. I’ll gladly withdraw the objection if it means you’ll address my actual argument.K. Like I said, if you don’t want to address that point, that’s up to you.Well, you answered the question. You said the roll was to see what valuables they found, despite none of them being hidden. That makes sense to me. It’s not the way I would run it, but that’s fine. You do you.If nothing is hidden, and nothing that is not hidden can be missed, what is the roll being used to determine?</blockquote>

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