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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 9203248" data-attributes="member: 59057">Do we really have to compare classes solely based on their level 1 features?The fighter has a great package at level 1. That was true in 2014 too.The monk in 2024 now has AC16 without armor. Is always fully armed. Can grapple with Dex. Wisdom and Dex are not bad stats at all to have high. Great initative, great perception. Being able to dodge, dash or disengage and still make an attack will make him quite elusive.Compare that to the rogue at level 1 and you have a great deal. Only at level 2 the rogue gets cunning strike and keeps up, but lo and behold, at that point the monk has nearly the same capabilities with their bonus actions.At level 1, classes just need to be close enough. At level 2 and 3 is where to look at. And the monk is in a great shape. As is the fighter, as is the rogue, as is the barbarian. So all the martial classes are quite ready for shipment.On that note: a great weapon fighter will also just be at AC 16 usually. Has not that great of an initiative and will struggle a bit with ranged enemies.</blockquote>