D&D (2024) Playtest 8 Spell Discussion

[Maxperson]

You are homebrewing the above requirement.

The Counterspell has a spell effect that can affect any visible spellcaster.

Can you tell me how you can tell someone casting a spell from someone asking for his granny if both are whispering? If you can tell me how it is logically done when the PC can't read lips, I'll concede the point. Otherwise you've lost this.

The power of the spell description is to target and deflect, even after the target is in the process of casting and the effects of the casting are apparent.

This is wrong. Once the effects are apparent the spell is done and cannot be countered. You must interrupt the casting which has no visible effects until finished.

Counterspell is a magical spell and can literally do anything. Because magic.

Counterspell gives no ability to read lips.

If a spell is verbal-only, people can see the lips moving, throat tensing, concentration, and so on.

Just like someone whispering for granny.

Counterspell only requires visibility. Not comprehension.

This is objectively wrong. You must comprehend that a spell is being cast. That is RAW.

 

[Yaarel]

Can you tell me how you can tell someone casting a spell from someone asking for his granny if both are whispering?

One can cast Counterspell even after a hostile spell starts to take affect − even when the target cast it.

It has nothing to do with hearing the hostile spell.

 

[Maxperson]

One can cast Counterspell even after a hostile spell starts to take affect − even when the target cast it.

No you can't. You must interrupt the spell as it is being cast. Once it starts to take place it has finished.

It has nothing to do with hearing the hostile spell.

You can repeat that until you are blue in the face, but you can't show how a PC 30 feet away can tell someone whispering for granny from someone whispering a spell, which means a whisper is not sufficient to allow a counterspeller to know a spell is being cast.

The long and short of it is that people who want their PCs to whisper spells want to get around people being able to know that they are casting a spell.

 

[Horwath]

One can cast Counterspell even after a hostile spell starts to take affect − even when the target cast it.

It has nothing to do with hearing the hostile spell.

i believe that this falls under Dispel magic.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

What statblock is a rule?

I think the closest you get to a rule is using stat blocks for wildshape and polymorph. I guess you can't just use different stats for a dog, when the druid shapeshanges into one.
But even then, the rule is using that statblock, not the statblock itself.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

No you can't. You must interrupt the spell as it is being cast. Once it starts to take place it has finished.

You can repeat that until you are blue in the face, but you can't show how a PC 30 feet away can tell someone whispering for granny from someone whispering a spell, which means a whisper is not sufficient to allow a counterspeller to know a spell is being cast.

The long and short of it is that people who want their PCs to whisper spells want to get around people being able to know that they are casting a spell.

Yes. Probably Snape's silent chanting is just concentrating on the spell.
Casting a spell would be waving a wand and shouting "expelliamus" or so.
High level wizards usually dip into sorcerer or take the metamagig adept feat to gain and use subtle metamagic

 

[Maxperson]

I think the closest you get to a rule is using stat blocks for wildshape and polymorph. I guess you can't just use different stats for a dog, when the druid shapeshanges into one.
But even then, the rule is using that statblock, not the statblock itself.

Even that isn't the stat block being the rule. The rule is the druid wild shape rule which interacts with the stat block. The stat block itself doesn't consist of a single rule.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Even that isn't the stat block being the rule. The rule is the druid wild shape rule which interacts with the stat block. The stat block itself doesn't consist of a single rule.

Which is about what I said in my last sentence... or tried to say...

 

[Maxperson]

Which is about what I said in my last sentence... or tried to say...

Hey! It's bed time. Expecting me to read three whole lines down is harsh man. Harsh!!

 

[FrogReaver]

Can you tell me how you can tell someone casting a spell from someone asking for his granny if both are whispering? If you can tell me how it is logically done when the PC can't read lips, I'll concede the point. Otherwise you've lost this.

This is wrong. Once the effects are apparent the spell is done and cannot be countered. You must interrupt the casting which has no visible effects until finished.

Counterspell gives no ability to read lips.

Just like someone whispering for granny.

This is objectively wrong. You must comprehend that a spell is being cast. That is RAW.

I can answer this. It's magic. Q.E.D.