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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Todd Roybark" data-source="post: 7910684" data-attributes="member: 6920677">Ahh Ruin Explorer, the exemplar of blustery opinion and misplaced certainty that their perspective is Indubitably, the only correct opinion.  It is a charming reminder of the grand days when a British man’s opinion, in his own  mind, ( the only one that matters, really) was worth 12x the ‘truthiness’ value of any facts someone might bother with, ( 20x a frenchman’s). <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😉" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" title="Winking face    :wink:" data-shortname=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />I write this with affection, I  have appreciated your forceful voice in ENworld since the 3x days,( Sincerely)yet.  When I run your statement below through the Universal Translator:Re smiling faces, my own experience is that upbeat and generally positive players tend to be far more willing to select mechanically dubious classes, and far less upset when they can't perform mechanically. the statement translates as: “ I hand wave away the reality of decades of years of fun, players have had with the mechanically dubious monk class, as the result of simple, unwashed,  blissfully ignorant, players that do not mind sucking “.It certainly captures the spirit of your words <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="👍" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f44d.png" title="Thumbs up    :thumbsup:" data-shortname=":thumbsup:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />The 1e PHB literally describes the monk as, perhaps, the most deadly class in the game at that time. (Pre U/A).  Put an 8th level MU, 8th Druid, and 8th level Monk  with  just fists against a Demon with Magic Resistance and +1 Weapons to hit, and the group is in real trouble!The monk can still stun or outright kill on a hit, even if the monk does no damage.A monk with a Staff of Striking, is like chocolate and orange....fairly classic.There are times, in 1e where the monk shines, but to be fair, there are times the monk just gets slaughtered, but hey in 1e that is true for most classes beyond Fighter and Ranger.‘Flurry of Misses’ was the 3e knock of the monk class, but let us face it, the last two attacks of any class were going to most likely miss, especially against high  AC opponents. The secret was to maximize the damage on the initial hits.  No power attack or Smite feats no dice.  This is a system problem, not a Monk problem.You have also never addressed how 5e monks have a magic item problem, that you intimated earlier in the thread.So, respectfully R.E., my consideration of decades of people’s fun, does not “nuke”, my argument.  Dismissing, outright, the players of in your  opinion: “mechanically dubious”....(read classes that do not meet R.E.’s particuliar standards), only shows that whatever pronouncements you make, however vibrant and flavorful the writing is, still is the mere opinion of one person, with limited universality, if any.Proclaim away, R.E., for you certainly seem short on actual arguments!<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤓" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f913.png" title="Nerd face    :nerd:" data-shortname=":nerd:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /> <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤺" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f93a.png" title="Person fencing    :person_fencing:" data-shortname=":person_fencing:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></blockquote>

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