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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7911084" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Looking at no featsSword and shield BM fighter with duelistMonk with no subclass using flurry of blowsLevel 1-5 monks do more damage than BMLevel 6-7 The classes do nearly identical damageLevel 8-10 monks do more damageLevel 11 the fighter finally pulls ahead and will stay ahead the rest of his career.Level 11+ the monk has enough KI to flurry of blows all day and use stunning strike (gives party members advantage when used - which likely makes up the damage difference)----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------On defenses,The monk gets deflect missiles, evasion, stillness of mind, purity of body, diamond soul.&nbsp; Fighters will get 1 hp extra per level up to level 8.&nbsp; The fighter will then get 2 extra hp per level.&nbsp; By level 12 he can get 3 extra hp per levelThe fighter will have about 2 AC over the monk for most of his career.&nbsp; The fighter has a slight edge IMO, but it's close.-------------------------------------------------------------------------On, mobilityMonk wins handsdownHow much damage do you do when you can't reach the enemy?&nbsp; 0....Is it ever effective to be able to prioritize high damage targets in the back of the enemies group?&nbsp; Monks can do this well.-------------------------------------------------------------------------On control, Monks win handsdownIt's not that you have to use stunning strike all the time, it's that having the option to use it allows you to pick the times it will be most efficient.--------------------------------------------------------------------------On out of combat,Depends on monk subclass but shadow monk makes an amazing option for this.&nbsp; Have I mentioned the base monk class is keeping up with the most damaging fighter subclass in damage?&nbsp; Yea, you can afford to pick any monk subclass you want.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7911084, member: 6795602"] Looking at no feats Sword and shield BM fighter with duelist Monk with no subclass using flurry of blows Level 1-5 monks do more damage than BM Level 6-7 The classes do nearly identical damage Level 8-10 monks do more damage Level 11 the fighter finally pulls ahead and will stay ahead the rest of his career. Level 11+ the monk has enough KI to flurry of blows all day and use stunning strike (gives party members advantage when used - which likely makes up the damage difference) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On defenses, The monk gets deflect missiles, evasion, stillness of mind, purity of body, diamond soul. Fighters will get 1 hp extra per level up to level 8. The fighter will then get 2 extra hp per level. By level 12 he can get 3 extra hp per level The fighter will have about 2 AC over the monk for most of his career. The fighter has a slight edge IMO, but it's close. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On, mobility Monk wins handsdown How much damage do you do when you can't reach the enemy? 0.... Is it ever effective to be able to prioritize high damage targets in the back of the enemies group? Monks can do this well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On control, Monks win handsdown It's not that you have to use stunning strike all the time, it's that having the option to use it allows you to pick the times it will be most efficient. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On out of combat, Depends on monk subclass but shadow monk makes an amazing option for this. Have I mentioned the base monk class is keeping up with the most damaging fighter subclass in damage? Yea, you can afford to pick any monk subclass you want. [/QUOTE]

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