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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7913311" data-attributes="member: 6795602">1.&nbsp; It's not 1/3 more damage than the champion.&nbsp; The totem barb can take 1/2 (50%)&nbsp; more damage than a champion as long as they never take damage while not raging.&nbsp; You are calculating your value incorrectly.2.&nbsp; I've already explained the proper use of reckless attack for a defensive barbarian in party play.&nbsp; All your defense means nothing if you aren't being attacked.&nbsp; Reckless attack should be used for the times enemies aren't attacking you. 3.&nbsp; Let's have a fair comparison for the rest of the abilities allowing damage taking<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Damage taken before raging (Barbarian) vs lack of non-attack defenses (Fighter)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Advantage on most dex saves (Barbarian) vs extra ASI's/Feats (Fighter)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Higher base hp (Barbarian) vs Second Wind (Fighter)</li>
</ul>Worst case these roughly equal out over the course of the campaign.4.&nbsp; Keep in mind I've chosen to have the defensive barbarian not use a shield for this comparison.&nbsp; With the shield the barbarian only has 1 less AC than the fighter.&nbsp; In fact, let's go back to anydice and look at a barbarian with a shield.<a href="https://anydice.com/program/19cfa" target="_blank">Barbarian with a shield</a>[ATTACH=full]118211[/ATTACH]Overall he's taking about 56% of the damage of the fighter.&nbsp; That means he can take 79% more damage than the fighter.Do you still not believe this is enough?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7913311, member: 6795602"] 1. It's not 1/3 more damage than the champion. The totem barb can take 1/2 (50%) more damage than a champion as long as they never take damage while not raging. You are calculating your value incorrectly. 2. I've already explained the proper use of reckless attack for a defensive barbarian in party play. All your defense means nothing if you aren't being attacked. Reckless attack should be used for the times enemies aren't attacking you. 3. Let's have a fair comparison for the rest of the abilities allowing damage taking [LIST] [*]Damage taken before raging (Barbarian) vs lack of non-attack defenses (Fighter) [*]Advantage on most dex saves (Barbarian) vs extra ASI's/Feats (Fighter) [*]Higher base hp (Barbarian) vs Second Wind (Fighter) [/LIST] Worst case these roughly equal out over the course of the campaign. 4. Keep in mind I've chosen to have the defensive barbarian not use a shield for this comparison. With the shield the barbarian only has 1 less AC than the fighter. In fact, let's go back to anydice and look at a barbarian with a shield. [URL='https://anydice.com/program/19cfa']Barbarian with a shield[/URL] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1581180643392.png"]118211[/ATTACH] Overall he's taking about 56% of the damage of the fighter. That means he can take 79% more damage than the fighter. Do you still not believe this is enough? [/QUOTE]

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