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<blockquote data-quote="Bawylie" data-source="post: 7569627" data-attributes="member: 6776133">The player has to be on trial because they’ve cheated the DM out of a spell. That’s unfair. The player should have to enjoy being a frog and want to stay a frog as long as possible, even though their contribution to the game at that point is to “ribbit” when their initiative comes up. The player shouldn’t be able to take any actions that mitigate their unfortunate situation. As Hussar says, you would never take a suicidal leap if you hadn’t been turned into a frog. And you would never try to pour water on yourself if you didn’t want to cheese weasel yourself out of being on fire. It’s the same thing. You’re just trying to avoid making a saving throw by doing something that makes sense. You hardly ever pour water on yourself when you’re not on fire. But when you are on fire and you say the reason you’re pouring water on yourself is to be rid of the fire, that’s plainly, obviously cheating and anyone can see it. (Devil’s avocado).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bawylie, post: 7569627, member: 6776133"] The player has to be on trial because they’ve cheated the DM out of a spell. That’s unfair. The player should have to enjoy being a frog and want to stay a frog as long as possible, even though their contribution to the game at that point is to “ribbit” when their initiative comes up. The player shouldn’t be able to take any actions that mitigate their unfortunate situation. As Hussar says, you would never take a suicidal leap if you hadn’t been turned into a frog. And you would never try to pour water on yourself if you didn’t want to cheese weasel yourself out of being on fire. It’s the same thing. You’re just trying to avoid making a saving throw by doing something that makes sense. You hardly ever pour water on yourself when you’re not on fire. But when you are on fire and you say the reason you’re pouring water on yourself is to be rid of the fire, that’s plainly, obviously cheating and anyone can see it. (Devil’s avocado). [/QUOTE]

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