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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7569776" data-attributes="member: 97077">That's very fair of you. I would add that I don't expect to change the minds of anyone who already declared this view here. Often when you try to convince someone of a flaw in a given approach, they just double-down on the way they do things. Maybe it has to do with sunk cost or group identity. I don't know.My arguments are chiefly aimed at people who haven't made up their minds yet, the people who may be reading, but not posting. Or at least people who employ this approach but haven't declared it in this thread or forum. Once someone is &quot;declared&quot; in public, that's likely someone who will not be changing his or her mind.I would add that I think this is also tied up with people's personal definition of &quot;roleplaying&quot; such that they are unable to see a player taking the action I've discussed as &quot;roleplaying&quot; since they see it instead as &quot;metagaming.&quot; Those things are not opposites, according to the definition of &quot;roleplaying&quot; the game gives us. That same definition tells us that the player in the example is playing the role of a toad that gets itself into trouble.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7569776, member: 97077"] That's very fair of you. I would add that I don't expect to change the minds of anyone who already declared this view here. Often when you try to convince someone of a flaw in a given approach, they just double-down on the way they do things. Maybe it has to do with sunk cost or group identity. I don't know. My arguments are chiefly aimed at people who haven't made up their minds yet, the people who may be reading, but not posting. Or at least people who employ this approach but haven't declared it in this thread or forum. Once someone is "declared" in public, that's likely someone who will not be changing his or her mind. I would add that I think this is also tied up with people's personal definition of "roleplaying" such that they are unable to see a player taking the action I've discussed as "roleplaying" since they see it instead as "metagaming." Those things are not opposites, according to the definition of "roleplaying" the game gives us. That same definition tells us that the player in the example is playing the role of a toad that gets itself into trouble. [/QUOTE]

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