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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7569802" data-attributes="member: 97077">So, first, I have said and will continue to say that people should play how they want to play. My advice is just that it's a good idea to know what it is we're doing, why we're doing it, and to be honest about it with ourselves and others. As I mentioned, I'm heartened that this discussion has borne fruit with regard to the reasons that underpin this method because, in the past, those who employed it had been extremely reluctant to admit what was to some of us plainly obvious. So, progress of a kind has been achieved.As for the words I've chosen being offensive, let's try to defend an approach that says, essentially, &quot;MY fun is based in large part on the thoughts in YOUR head, regardless of the reasonableness of your actions in the context of the fiction, and it's YOUR responsibility to make sure *I* am not suspicious of YOUR motives.&quot; I don't think that can be defended outside of &quot;We just like it.&quot; Which is all well and good - like I said, people should play how they want to play - but let's not pretend it's not about thought crimes and abdication of personal responsibility. Use different words, if you like, but I think we'll arrive at the same place.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7569802, member: 97077"] So, first, I have said and will continue to say that people should play how they want to play. My advice is just that it's a good idea to know what it is we're doing, why we're doing it, and to be honest about it with ourselves and others. As I mentioned, I'm heartened that this discussion has borne fruit with regard to the reasons that underpin this method because, in the past, those who employed it had been extremely reluctant to admit what was to some of us plainly obvious. So, progress of a kind has been achieved. As for the words I've chosen being offensive, let's try to defend an approach that says, essentially, "MY fun is based in large part on the thoughts in YOUR head, regardless of the reasonableness of your actions in the context of the fiction, and it's YOUR responsibility to make sure *I* am not suspicious of YOUR motives." I don't think that [I]can[/I] be defended outside of "We just like it." Which is all well and good - like I said, people should play how they want to play - but let's not pretend it's not about thought crimes and abdication of personal responsibility. Use different words, if you like, but I think we'll arrive at the same place. [/QUOTE]

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