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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7570676" data-attributes="member: 22779">Sure you have.&nbsp; You keep telling all and sundry that we have to rework how we think about meta-gaming.&nbsp; That we are &quot;Policing&quot; other player's thoughts.&nbsp; The fact that the fighter's behavior in the frog example is actively making the game less enjoyable for the other people at the table is apparently irrelevant.&nbsp; The fighter's player's behavior is beyond reproach, apparently, and you keep insisting that it is the other people who must change.&nbsp; Your exact words:IOW, we have to change, not you.&nbsp; There's no compromise here.&nbsp; You are insisting that everyone else is wrong.&nbsp; That their conception of meta gaming is wrong and everyone would just be happier if they played the way you do.The notion that a group might not agree is met with repeated comments about how we are mistaken.&nbsp; Look, again, play what you want.&nbsp; But, accept that other tables do not share this point of view.&nbsp; There is a HUGE excluded middle between you and the &quot;all meta gaming is bad&quot; crowd.&nbsp; No, not all meta gaming is acceptable all the time by every group.&nbsp; It just isn't.&nbsp; It makes the game less enjoyable for some of us.Instead of telling us to change our minds, why not simply not declare actions that are so blatantly meta?&nbsp; After all, there are many, many options open to our polymorphed fighter that don't include deliberately killing himself.&nbsp; Do one of those and everyone at the table is happy.&nbsp; Well, you might not be happy since you couldn't take the most advantageous action.&nbsp; That's true.&nbsp; In which case, if it bothers you that much, don't play at my table.&nbsp; Differences in play style are part and&nbsp; parcel of gaming.&nbsp; Nothing about the fact that we both play RPG's in any way means that we should ever share a table.Game with people who share your tastes and all these problems, which, aren't in fact problems at all, go away.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7570676, member: 22779"] Sure you have. You keep telling all and sundry that we have to rework how we think about meta-gaming. That we are "Policing" other player's thoughts. The fact that the fighter's behavior in the frog example is actively making the game less enjoyable for the other people at the table is apparently irrelevant. The fighter's player's behavior is beyond reproach, apparently, and you keep insisting that it is the other people who must change. Your exact words: IOW, we have to change, not you. There's no compromise here. You are insisting that everyone else is wrong. That their conception of meta gaming is wrong and everyone would just be happier if they played the way you do. The notion that a group might not agree is met with repeated comments about how we are mistaken. Look, again, play what you want. But, accept that other tables do not share this point of view. There is a HUGE excluded middle between you and the "all meta gaming is bad" crowd. No, not all meta gaming is acceptable all the time by every group. It just isn't. It makes the game less enjoyable for some of us. Instead of telling us to change our minds, why not simply not declare actions that are so blatantly meta? After all, there are many, many options open to our polymorphed fighter that don't include deliberately killing himself. Do one of those and everyone at the table is happy. Well, you might not be happy since you couldn't take the most advantageous action. That's true. In which case, if it bothers you that much, don't play at my table. Differences in play style are part and parcel of gaming. Nothing about the fact that we both play RPG's in any way means that we should ever share a table. Game with people who share your tastes and all these problems, which, aren't in fact problems at all, go away. [/QUOTE]

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