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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Selas" data-source="post: 9472833" data-attributes="member: 7047454">Alright, I am going to take a hack at this since this specific topic has been covered ad nauseam in other forums and some still try to make this argument. Might be long since I'm quoting rules. THP rules have already been presented, so not gonna cover them. The rules do specify they're not actual Hit Points nor are they Healing, and those are covered in different rules:Like UngeheuerLich said, the THP is an effect of the Polymorph spell, not a separate effect. Per the Polymorph spell description, "you gain THP equal to the Hit Points of the Beast Form"; this already ties the THP to the Beast Form granted by the spell. We also know that the Beast Form has a duration, because the spell says: "the target must succeed on a Wisdom saving throw or shape-shift into Beast form for the duration"--and Polymorph has a 1 hour duration that requires Concentration to sustain.Chapter 7 describes spells duration & effects, as quoted below:This indicates that the entire description after the duration is the effect of the spell, and that Concentration spells follow Concentration rules. Then there is the shapeshifting rules, which specify exactly what shape-shifting entails:This indicates that the entire description of the spell is the effect gained when you shape-shift, and that if you had an ongoing effect prior, it carries over when you shift.Lastly, we have Concentration rules, which governs how all spells that require Concentration operate:Looking at all of these rules together, this means that Concentration is the specific rule here and trumps the THP rule because all effects granted by a spell description which requires Concentration end if Concentration ends. As for duration, the THP is tied to the Beast form which has a duration, so if the duration passes then the spell ends and the THP ends because the Beast form only lasts for the duration.As for the Druid Wild Shape:The description says that when you shape-shift you gain THP equal to your Druid Level, and Wild Shape does have a duration; however, it doesn't require Concentration and it doesn't specifically say the THP is tied to a Beast form like Polymorph does, so I would rule that the THP remains if you transform back. Keep in mind though that all of this is still part of the Wild Shape rules, so ultimately it will be DM dependent on whether you keep the THP from Wild Shape.God that was lengthy!</blockquote>

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