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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9473016" data-attributes="member: 7037866">I concur (after reviewing all the spells).As [USER=6795602]@FrogReaver[/USER] noted, Heroism does not specify the temp HP end (or vanish) with the end of the spell, you simply don't get any more at the start of your next turn once the spell end.Polymorph, Shapechange, and True Polymorph all grant temp HP as part of casting the spell. In each of the other three cases, the spells simply state they end early if the target creature has no temp HP left.However, gaining the temp HP from these spells IS an effect of the spell. And as others have pointed out, under the Concentration rules in the Rules Glossary:If concentration is lost, the effects of these spels is lost, that includes the gaining of these temp HP. In a similar fashion, if any of these spells were dispelled, the temp HP would also go away. They are granted by the magic of the spell currently in effect due to the concentration requirement.While adding text to these spells would help clarify this, at this point I am convinced it is uncessary. It wasn't until I actually reviewed the section on spells on Effects (below) that the definitive connection between the two solidified my position.That is my position at this point. Feel free to disagree, but I'm not debating it further. I think my position at this point is clear.EDIT: I'll add quickly that in all other cases the spells aren't concentration, so there is no ending to the effects other than being dispelled if the spells have a duration. If not, they're instantaneous and only a counterspell will stop them. In other words, those spells' effect can't end due to lose of concentration because they are not concentration spells.</blockquote>

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